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Brady sues Cabela’s over sale of black powder gun to felon later used in murder
Guns.com ^ | 08/09/18 | Chris Egar

Posted on 08/09/2018 8:49:09 AM PDT by Simon Green

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To: CaptainAmiigaf

This is ready made for the trouble makers/ambulance chasers. There’s no end to businesses they can ruin...


21 posted on 08/09/2018 9:11:52 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

Excuse the double post - phone rang and I took my eyes off the screen to look at the caller ID - and then blocked the call.

Sorry!


22 posted on 08/09/2018 9:13:25 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Skywise

Arent they suing on behalf of the victim?


23 posted on 08/09/2018 9:28:02 AM PDT by joshua c (To disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives. Do nothing, they win and we lose.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I thought the article said that OH treats black powder as a firearm?


24 posted on 08/09/2018 9:29:07 AM PDT by joshua c (To disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives. Do nothing, they win and we lose.)
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To: Simon Green

Cabela’s should sue West Academic Publishing for its vicarious liability arising from The Brady Campaign’s misuse of its law books. After all, if West wouldn’t publish them, shyster lawyers couldn’t use them for good or ill.


25 posted on 08/09/2018 9:36:55 AM PDT by Always A Marine ("When you strike at a king, you must kill him" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: joshua c
I thought the article said that OH treats black powder as a firearm?

Here in the People's Republic of New Jersey, a black powder gun is considered a firearm. A seller couldn't/ wouldn't sell me a black powder firearm by internet or online and ship it to me directly if I tried. If I wanted to buy one, it would either need to be shipped to a New Jersey FFL, or I'd need to drive across the bridge to Pennsylvania to legally purchase one. (Most people here do the latter, I think.)

26 posted on 08/09/2018 9:41:27 AM PDT by Sooth2222 (Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.")
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To: Simon Green

This is the first black powder murder I’ve heard about in modern times.


27 posted on 08/09/2018 9:45:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Heaven has a wall and strict immigration policy. Hell has open borders--seen on a tee shirt)
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28 posted on 08/09/2018 9:48:26 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Simon Green
"sale of a replica muzzleloader"

REPLICA!

We're done here.

29 posted on 08/09/2018 9:48:53 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Simon Green

PER the Firearms Act of 1934, as amended in 1968 and after, a muzzleloading rifle IS NOT A FIREARM. Period. End of story. Get over it, gerbalists in Noo Yawk.


30 posted on 08/09/2018 9:50:50 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Enjoy the decline of the American empire.)
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To: editor-surveyor
There is no basis for any tort.

Here's hopin the Brady Bunch gits them a new one tort!

31 posted on 08/09/2018 9:52:26 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Simon Green
“We don’t want to see any other family endure such an avoidable tragedy,” said Brady attorney Sean Alto in a statement from the group. “Had better policies and procedures been in place, Bryan’s death could have been prevented.”

He should use that argument to get illegal aliens out of our country and oppose sanctuary cities.

32 posted on 08/09/2018 9:53:09 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ClearCase_guy

SOLD over the phone?

How does the store comply with Brady OVER THE PHONE?


33 posted on 08/09/2018 9:59:44 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ltc8k6

>Ohio law forbids the sale of black powder firearms to felons.

Ohio law says felons can’t posses black powder firearms. I don’t think it says anything about selling them to an unknown felon.

IIRC you can not run a NICS without having a legal reason to do so. You can’t just run one becouse you feel like it.


34 posted on 08/09/2018 10:25:55 AM PDT by Do_Tar (To my NSA handler: Only kidding.)
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To: pabianice

Ka,,Pow!

Fun Hobby,
Libtards don’t like Fun.


35 posted on 08/09/2018 10:37:51 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY)
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To: ridesthemiles

The reason the Brady group is suing is they want to have black powder firearms go through the same instant check as regular firearms. In theory the sale would have been denied. Or so their lawyer will argue, or attempt to have an agreement made that Cabels will only sell black powder pistols with a PIC check.

Not the first time in PA. Around 1999 a mentally patient at the Norristown mental hospital, got a black powder pistol and shot a nurse or counselor, there was another push to regulate black powder pistols. I think the was a case back in 1978 as well, so every 2 decades or so a black power arms is involved in a crime. Knife crime is far worse in PA.

Given the every low rate of use in crime these arms are unregulated. But it is clear that he anti-gun lobby would like them to be regulated. Sort of exposes the lie they only want to regulate a few dangerous arms. I think the push to do away with black powder arms is because of the unregulated nature of them and the relatively low cost on used arms, they are a gateway arm to folks to get into the shooting culture. Take a 12 year old out who has just read about the revolution or Davie Crocket or the civil war or Wild Bill Hickok and his 1851 Navies, let him shoot a few muskets/ black powder pistols and you will hook him on guns for life. There is something very cool about them with the noise, smoke and big projectiles and due to low noise an penetration you can shoot in locals where shooting even a .22 would not be allowed. The Brady bunch does not like that.

Reality is much like doing background checks on ammunition, there is a limit to how much mayhem the law can prevent. Where there is an evil will, there will be a way for the evil doer to do his deed. If a chap is willing to kill someone, which is the most severe crime there is, he will find a way to obtain a weapon to do it. In theory Chicago and New York City should have no none, yet both cities seem to have some, and in Chicago’s case the situation seems out of control.


36 posted on 08/09/2018 10:46:37 AM PDT by Frederick303
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To: ClearCase_guy
[the prosecutor] Rickett argued to the jury in his closing arguments that there was “an undertone” in the defense’s case that since the victim was “a freeloader” and therefore “invaluable.”

Looks like the deadbeat freeloading useless Piece of Mitt had a value after all - the Brady Bunch can use his corpse to attack gunowners...

37 posted on 08/09/2018 10:52:05 AM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: Do_Tar

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.20v1

I’m sure that will be the law used in the case.


38 posted on 08/09/2018 11:04:37 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
Black powder firearms are treated the same as modern firearms under Ohio law.

Does Ohio provide a state background check service and require a Form 4473 for black powder sales? If they do not, they have no standing to complain that Cabela's isn't following the law.

39 posted on 08/09/2018 11:29:31 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

It’s pretty confusing.


40 posted on 08/09/2018 11:51:16 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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