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Social Security Fails
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2018 | John Stossel

Posted on 08/15/2018 9:20:43 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Obesity will save both social security and medicare.

Obesity is a governor, a damper, on prosperity


21 posted on 08/15/2018 9:54:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: SES1066

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/al-gores-social-security-confusion


22 posted on 08/15/2018 9:55:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (July 2018 - the month the world learns the TRUTH......Q Anon)
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To: Kaslin

These ‘social security fails’ articles are about as ridiculous as the ‘climate change’ fear articles.

Claims that Social Security has been running out of money have been going on since I was in high school — 50 years ago.

It is a political football. It is sort of like the Race Card. It elicits anger and keeps ‘journalists’ in business writing articles about how it is running out of money.

Then, as if almost miraculous, Congress finds a way to save the system and kick the can down the road — again.


23 posted on 08/15/2018 9:56:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: sneakers

Remember President George W. Bush wanted to give the people the choice to voluntarily get social security. He was ridiculed by the left and by some on the right.


24 posted on 08/15/2018 9:57:09 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Political will is lacking.

I believe that Trump might attempt something--a semi-private solution--but it will be only in his second term. We won't be able to wait much longer than that...

25 posted on 08/15/2018 9:57:31 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Kaslin

Levy a $.01 fee on all HF trading transactions on Wall St. Problem solved.


26 posted on 08/15/2018 10:03:39 AM PDT by pingman ("I ain't in no ways tarred.." of WINNING!)
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To: Kaslin

“Social Security hits its wall in 15 years.”

Which is the year I’ll turn 67. nice


27 posted on 08/15/2018 10:04:19 AM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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To: Kaslin

Ponzi scheme , pyramid scheme nothing but a political scheme for stealing.


28 posted on 08/15/2018 10:08:25 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Kaslin

My late brother-in-law married a Chinese woman whose mother moved from China and collected SS despite never having worked in the US. No wonder it’s going broke.


29 posted on 08/15/2018 10:08:33 AM PDT by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: cuban leaf

If they raise the retirement age to 70, many older people will have to remain employed, regardless of their health issues. At present, as it is, my son in law who was born in 1960, will have to work until 68 to reach full retirement benefits on SSAN. He has a good job and is quite happy with the situation at present, and has no health issues to date. One of the lucky ones. Maybe ALL those on social security (undocumented aliens and their children for instance, who have never paid in) need to be removed from social security and offered free transport home to their country of origin.


30 posted on 08/15/2018 10:08:58 AM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Kaslin
Social Security is running out of money. You may not believe that, but it's a fact.
As long as this country spends BILLIONS annually on foreign aid, there will be SS.
And if they did try to cancel it, every congress critters' office will be ripped to shreds.
31 posted on 08/15/2018 10:10:23 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Kaslin

Either eliminate the program or clean it up and return it to its original function as a retirement safety net for those who have contributed to it.

It was not structured to be used as a welfare program.

Stop using Sosicla Security to redistribute wealth to illegals, moochers and liberal Special Victim groups and the program will no longer be in financial straits.


32 posted on 08/15/2018 10:10:49 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats. - P.J. ORourke)
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To: Red Badger
If you are disputing then I think that this is a semantics and interpretation issue. The first sentence of the Cato Institute paper has this "During the presidential debate, Vice President Gore told the nation, “I will keep Social Security in a lockbox ...". I have always thought that meant it was there and he would keep it there, for various values and truthfulness [grin]! However I can see your point that he might have meant future tense. Further reading does show that there was a GOP use of the lockbox metaphor in 1999 so Al Gore may have tried to preempt that during his campaign.
33 posted on 08/15/2018 10:10:53 AM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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To: Kaslin

I once sat down (for almost three days)and computed how much I would have had from my FICA taxes if it had been invested from 1967 to 2015. I took out the 5 years from the service AND the 7 years I was a cop. I compared the amount for each year X the S&P 500 yearly rise/ drop. If this investment would have been made, I could have retired with 2.5 m8llion profit for my retirement fund.


34 posted on 08/15/2018 10:12:13 AM PDT by Safetgiver (Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s easy to fix. As a start, stop sending SS checks to folks like Mitt Romney and Michael Bloomberg.


35 posted on 08/15/2018 10:13:20 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Kaslin
Social Security is a socialist (duh!) program that should be abolished. An orderly wind-down with equitable transition rules would be the best way to get rid of the program, but that probably is not politically achievable. So crash-and-burn is the next best thing.

Raise Social Security benefits and cut FICA taxes to accelerate the bankruptcy of the program. Probably any politician who ran on a platform of raising benefits and cutting FICA taxes would be elected.

Another way to do it would be to exempt young people from the program, say everyone born after 2000 would no longer have to pay the tax and would not be eligible for benefits.

It is almost funny to see Republican politicians talking as if FDR's socialist scheme is sacred.

36 posted on 08/15/2018 10:13:45 AM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: Kaslin

SOCIAL SECURITY TAKINGS CLAUSE

Stossle is economically illiterate.

Stossle can stuff it.

Stossle should learn the Constitution.

The takings clause of the Constitution says retirees are entitled to just compensation of their Social Security takings, plus investment small cap loss at the 11% rate.

This is unique to Social Security because property was taken, unlike Welfare, unlike Medicaid and unlike EBT, & Section 8.

Stossle is Fake News.


37 posted on 08/15/2018 10:14:44 AM PDT by TheNext (l)
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To: Kaslin

1. They will have to take the “cap” off the Social Security Deduction like they did with Medicare.

2. Raise the Benefit Age. Add one Month per year, making the supposed “full benefit” from Age 67 to 70 over the next 36 Years.

3. Do the same for “early” Benefits, raising the Benefit Age from 62 to 65 over the next 36 Years. (It isn’t an accident that they failed to do that the last time they reformed Social Security back in the 80’s).

4. Do the same for Medicare Eligibility slowly raising the Eligibility Age from 65 to 70 over the next 60 Years.

5. Take all that Money out of the General Fund and put in in a Lockbox. (I just had to add that for yucks)

Doesn’t matter, we will end up with Medicare for All if the Rats get back in charge. That cost will dwarf everything.

When I applied for Social Security I didn’t get my first Payment until two Months after my Birthday. Late July Birthday, received my first Payment the 4th Wednesday in September.

With Medicare, I switched over on the first day of my Birthday Month. I assume they could save a few bucks just delaying that to the beginning of the following Month after turning 65 without anyone going ballistic.

Every penny counts...


38 posted on 08/15/2018 10:14:56 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: D_Idaho

Well, that is the Social Security’s fault, but they don’t care. It’s not their money. If they had to pay it out of their own pocket it would change.


39 posted on 08/15/2018 10:15:18 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The Social Security system takes in about $800 billion/year of tax revenue.

Therefore, the Social Security system can pay out about $800 billion/year of benefits yearly even after the Old Age Trust Fund is completely exhausted.

People could and probably did tell Charles Ponzi to go to hell, but Uncle Sam insists on FICA and self-employment tax payment under penalty of law.

Will benefits have to be cut in the future? Almost without a doubt, and probably by about 20%.

Most likely the full/early retirement ages will be increased by about one year every decade too.


40 posted on 08/15/2018 10:16:21 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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