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To: taildragger

It all stems from VII or from the twistage of VII as the German and many American bishops and almost all the South American ones rushed to get right with the modern world. It was posited that homosexuality is okay among priests, after all they are all pledged to celibacy. The reality is that a far smaller portion of homosexual men are capable of celibacy than are hetero men. When homosexual priests become bishops they do as homosexuals do in any milieu, they recruit their soul mates and filter out the normals. When they get into administrative positions in the seminaries then the Church becomes the Queer Mafia.


5 posted on 08/20/2018 3:34:39 AM PDT by arthurus (d)
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To: arthurus

What do you mean “VII”?


7 posted on 08/20/2018 3:37:37 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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to get priests, the Catholic Church recruited queers and provided them closet full of alter boys
21 posted on 08/20/2018 5:14:27 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12) Sanctuary is Sedition)
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To: arthurus

Exactly. The attempt to ignore this is flagrant. A full 2/3 of those making allegations were post pubescent boys when they were abused. Homosexuals have literally taken over some dioscese. They trade sexual favors for position and drive anyone who challenges them out to the boonies if not out of the priesthood entirely


23 posted on 08/20/2018 5:21:49 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: arthurus

Okay, seems there are 2 theories why a systemic problem exists ... 1) communists and those who consciously embraced the sexual revolution entered the Church to undermine it (as pointed out in Augusto Del Noce’s Crisis of Modernity and by Bella Dodd) or 2) that Vatican II encouraged the view that homosexuality is benign or even good.

But nothing in Vatican 2 documents themselves encourages the later theory. In fact in 1986, Ratzinger/CDF ascribes the “benign” theory to the games being played with the CDF’s “Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics” of December 29, 1975. (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html)

His analysis calls out libs (AmChurch, Germans, etc.) who wanted to play nice with PC/progressive/democrat worldly elite opinion. The worldliness theory is confirmed by Bishop Morlino’s recent letter: “In our efforts to be open to the world we have become all too willing to abandon the Way, the Truth, and the Life. In order to avoid causing offense we offer to ourselves and to others niceties and human consolation.” Source: http://www.madisoncatholicherald.org/bishopsletters/7730-letter-scandal.html.

Combine infiltration, corruption and sympathetic libs, and you’ve created a culture that tolerates priest predators instead of a culture of holiness. But fingers just can’t be pointed to libs and clergy: in the grip of the Sexual Revolution, pro-contraception laity weren’t/aren’t exactly keen on chastity and the procreative dimension of sex. Remember Abbie Hoffman? “If it feels good, do it.”

When AmChurch’s widespread coverup of Humanae Vitae and JPII’s Evangelium Vitae and Theology of the Body is over, then we’ll finally be on the Way to healing the abuse crisis ... and the vocation crisis.


30 posted on 08/20/2018 5:56:57 AM PDT by qwertyz
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To: arthurus

No, it did not start with Vatican II. It started in the thirties when the Communists infiltrated the seminaries—and every other institution they could. See Bella Dodd’s testimony to the HUAC in the 50’s. They put about a thousand queers and other commies into the seminaries.

That led to Vatican II.


33 posted on 08/20/2018 6:28:49 AM PDT by moonhawk (My Basket of Deplorable is Irredeemably mired in the Swamp of Crazy.)
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