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This is the day that the climate change fight was obviously lost
The Washington Post ^ | August 21, 2018 | by Phillip Bump

Posted on 08/21/2018 12:56:30 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

A particular challenge of the fight over climate change, if not a unique one, is that the shifts accrue subtly. The climate has changed stunningly quickly in global terms but slowly in human terms, allowing us to rationalize, wave away and downplay.

The issue of climate change rose to the national consciousness as polarization in U.S. politics spiked. Gallup polling shows that there’s a nearly 50-point gap between the parties in belief in the effects of a warming planet having already begun. More than 8 in 10 Democrats think global warming has been demonstrated; only a third of Republicans agree.

Nearly all scientists who study the issue agree with the Democratic and independent majorities, but scientists haven’t convinced Washington.

In fact, to the extent that action on addressing climate change is still a viable fight in the capital, on Tuesday we could declare a winner: Climate change is here, and the United States has accepted it. President Trump’s decision to roll back even measured efforts to curtail carbon-dioxide emissions and news about Arctic sea ice combine to paint a picture of a country that’s living through climate change and deciding not to do anything about it.

It’s just coincidence that the Trump plan on power plant emissions should be announced the same day as the news about Arctic ice is reported. Any number of other things could have combined in a similar way to make obvious the split between what’s happening in the world and what’s happening in Washington. Both of the developments Tuesday, though, are very significant and very telling.

The capital is a place where political effects are measured in the scale of days, if not minutes. The global climate shift is measured in years, if not decades. And, slowly, this is the point we’ve gotten to.

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Totally false framing of the issue by the Washington Post.


21 posted on 08/21/2018 1:13:48 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Da Coyote
Yup, those journalism degree writers are really really smart. Guess those of us with REAL degrees are just plain dumb.

I'm glad you finally understand. ha ha

22 posted on 08/21/2018 1:14:32 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: hadaclueonce
Now is the day to drive the wooden stake into the heart of ethanol.

I will buy the stake and swing the hammer. I am sick of going 25 miles to get REAL gas for my bike.

23 posted on 08/21/2018 1:16:40 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If we thought the Central Banks were the largest theft in history, we ain’t seen nuthin’ yet like the climate change hoax. Everyone buys carbon credits from Wall Street and the Central Banks, who take their cut and send $$$ off to other countries to plant trees. Banks get even richer...


24 posted on 08/21/2018 1:17:45 PM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Even if we believed everything they say, even though it is all contradictory and counter-intuitive ("climate change increases rain and drought and is responsible for both a global increase and decrease in temperature"), they still have ABSOLUTELY NO solution.

They just want to punish (steal from) the producers and give to the global sponge nations with net zero effect.

The only way to effectively combat the increase in C02 in the atmosphere would be to shut down all transportation, industry and mechanized agriculture. Close the factories, close the hospitals, turn off Broadway, stop making movies, stop making cheese, kill all the cows, ground the planes, bury the cars, turn off the lights, stop burning coal, oil, wood. No more iPhones or computers. The end of Lena Dunham and that Strawberry Shortcake protesting lady. No more Daily Show or Colbert. No more espresso, no more ice cream.

Basically, either we kill off 99% of humanity and return to a hunter gather state, or we adapt and move forward.

If human activity is warming the planet, learn to deal with it and stop all the bitching.

25 posted on 08/21/2018 1:19:22 PM PDT by dead
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A particular challenge of the fight over climate change, if not a unique one, is that the shifts accrue subtly. The climate has changed stunningly quickly in global terms but slowly in human terms, allowing us to rationalize, wave away and downplay.

Really?

I have read reports of Mammoths found frozen in glacial ice with flowers in their stomachs.

So, at most a few hours before this mammoth was frozen to death it was eating spring flowers. Sounds to me like that in the past climate change has happened very quickly.

26 posted on 08/21/2018 1:21:10 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: mkleesma

I’m a geophysicist, and know lots of other geophysicists and geologists that know that the man-made “climate change” agenda is a bunch of crap. Although “They” have never asked us I guess.

I believe that the “consensus” is based on the number of “scientific” papers related to climate. So yes, if you want the funding so you can publish crap, it better be the crap that the people providing the funding are paying for.


27 posted on 08/21/2018 1:21:30 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Science refuses to explain the Midevil warming maximum. During this period life flourished in Europe and North America. The Roman Empire was at its zenith because they had food due to good climate. Nor can science explain Ice Ages lasting 100 of thousands of years followed by brief interludes of warmth we currently enjoy that were always followed by brutal ice ages and during those times life was brutal for animals and plants and humans.

Actually science can explain this. It is due to variations in solar output and orbital mechanics of the earth. Honest scientists know this and say this. Their views are not politically correct and the media refuses to give them coverage.

We perhaps are at the end of an ice age or not. By definition unless the polar caps have melted we are still in an ice age. Ice ages in the past have had brief warming periods, like today, and then returned to full ice age.

Sea levels have risen greatly over the last 17000 years. The rate of increase today is very small. This is indicative of past events when we had “some” melting and then returned to full ice age.

We do not know. Man has not one damn thing to do with it.

The polar caps may melt or they not. We do not know but as previously stated, it has nothing to do with man.

If one looks back millions of years before man, we had great beasts roaming the earth. CO2 levels were several times higher than today. CO2 is plant food and provided great quantities of food for those beasts. Historically we are actually in a CO2 drought.

CO2 is plant food!


28 posted on 08/21/2018 1:22:13 PM PDT by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Ooh, look -- more DNC talking points orchestrated by fake news media.

Who's the Cleanest of Them All


29 posted on 08/21/2018 1:23:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Red Badger

Is it fighting words now if you tell someone to shut their top hole? It could be a hate crime to mention sticks and back holes.


30 posted on 08/21/2018 1:34:16 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: dead
They just want to punish (steal from) the producers and give to the global sponge nations

minus a 50% cut. Both governments and poor people convert 100% of their incomes into carbon emissions. This plan would greatly increase energy consumption and pollution.

Republicans should 100% support all Democrat cities that want to go full ecotard, as long as it stays within city limits. The 'rat nets should not buy any fossil fuel power or any products made with it. Go for it! We'll watch from outside, with trigger fingers ready.

31 posted on 08/21/2018 1:40:18 PM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Pontiac

In re the elephants that was the Noahic Flood.


32 posted on 08/21/2018 1:41:08 PM PDT by Persevero (Democrats haven't been this nutty since we freed their slaves.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let me know when there are no more personal vehicles on the Washington Beltway.

Let me know when the speed limit on German autobahns is the maximum speed of the most common German electric car.

Let me know when “climate scientists” typically drive bikes to get around.


33 posted on 08/21/2018 1:45:22 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

It’s hard to believe that anyone still falls for this crap. Life has gotten dramatically better nearly everywhere on Earth ever since we started burning fossil fuels, and the trend line in that direction is only steepening. Anyone who proposes to stop that bears an extremely high burden of proof, and the climate hysterics have come nowhere close to doing so.


34 posted on 08/21/2018 1:56:13 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Brian Griffin

The renowned climate scientist Al Gore has a carbon footprint the size of Texas. Click on the link below to see it.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/al-gores-climate-change-hypocrisy-is-as-big-as-his-energy-sucking-mansion/

However, the link does no include his private trips on a Gulf stream jet which has a carbon footprint actually far in excess of his homes.

Question: If Al Gore were sure of the imminent rise in sea levels, why did he purchase a home on the beach front in California.

Al Gore is like a hemorrhoid. It will not kill you but is a pain in the ass forever until you cut it out with much pain involved. I vote for pain.


35 posted on 08/21/2018 2:12:10 PM PDT by cpdiii (Cane Cutter, Deckhand,Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost

Quick question to these Moonbats: What chemical elements,and their percentages, make up the Earth’s atmosphere?


36 posted on 08/21/2018 2:32:50 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: CharlesMartelsGhost; All

Quick question to these Moonbats: What chemical elements,and their percentages, make up the Earth’s atmosphere?


37 posted on 08/21/2018 2:33:00 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Philip Bump, is that a real name?


38 posted on 08/21/2018 2:38:37 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Brian Griffin

In 1817 a British expedition sailed almost all the way through to Alaska before turning back out of fear of being trapped.

It was the year AFTER the ‘Year without a Summer’.


39 posted on 08/21/2018 2:45:44 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Meanwhile in the real world, US emissions are steadily decreasing thanks to the Fracking revolution.


40 posted on 08/21/2018 2:56:50 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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