[crz]

Does anyone around think it will take less than an out and out Civil war to put an end to this?

The first shots that are fired and we'll see a mass Exodus from the cesspool.

[Windflier]

Does anyone around think it will take less than an out and out Civil war to put an end to this?

I don't.

I think the civil systems laid down by the Framers, are utterly FUBAR, and that they've passed the point of self correction.

We're rapidly approaching a level of social bifurcation, where some (as yet unknown) flashpoint will set off a chain reaction of events, which will then lead to some massive and unstoppable disruption to the social order and our way of life.

The thing is out of balance. It will not hold together, unless the unbalancing forces relent, and let the natural physics of our society restore our former level of equilibrium.

I don't see them relenting any time soon, if ever, which means we're headed toward some kind of historic reset of this country.

What form that disruptive reset takes is anyone's guess, but you can bet it's going to be messy, widespread, and very painful.

[flamberge]

The first shots that are fired and we'll see a mass Exodus from the cesspool.

Historical examples do not indicate such an optimistic outcome.

I would expect about 10 years of increasingly vicious fighting which quiets down after all the current players are out of the picture.

Best to start planning for what must come in the aftermath.