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Here’s How To Successfully Debate A Democratic Socialist
http://thefederalist.com ^ | SEPTEMBER 28, 2018 | By Helen Raleigh

Posted on 09/29/2018 8:27:23 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45

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To: Vaquero

If you voted for President Trump, then you have fought back. Trump has already defeated them by winning the election. We are witnessing the final screams of their torment before they are vanquished. The swamp runs deep, Trumps determination to drain the swamp runs deeper.


21 posted on 09/29/2018 8:58:30 AM PDT by ThE_RiPpEr. (The Obamanation is over “Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last”)
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To: Para-Ord.45

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22 posted on 09/29/2018 8:58:52 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Para-Ord.45

Leftists always point to Europe as the model for government generosity. They always fail to realize that most nations in the EU rely on their NATO membership and the promise of US intervention for their security and have shunned substantially all of their own defense spending. They have diverted necessary defense dollars to government giveaways, effectively foisting the cost of those generous programs onto the backs of the American taxpayer.

What’s even more laughable is that when the dsa humpers point to their gold-standard, it’s always a majority white nation that appeals to them. None of the brown socialists in South America impress them, likewise none of the dark brown socialists in Africa. Apparently only white people can get socialism right, in the eyes of leftists.


23 posted on 09/29/2018 9:04:53 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’ve read the basic Rules for a Radicals. They work well in a basically moderate left society. As people vote to fight against the left, the left gets vicious. Ask the people in Ferguson. There must be and will be (if this $h!t continues) a tipping point. Politeness cannot be a one way street. I reject bending over any more in the name of civility. We are on the cusp of WAR. And we’re not the ones starting it. . If we decide to fight back WE will be the victors. The snowflakes don’t have the intestinal fortitude or the martial talents. We do.


24 posted on 09/29/2018 9:04:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Socialism – effects:

(1) economics & politics:

anti-reality
anti-reason
anti-integrated mode of thought
pro-force
pro-sacrificial altruism
pro-collectivism
pro-government dependency
pro-government interventionism
pro-egalitarianism
pro-social justice
pro-social engineering
pro-government redistributionism
pro-statism
pro-government monopoly
assault on and destruction of freedom and other natural rights
restrictions on freedom of migration
compulsory sharing of housing
assault on and destruction of institutions and principles required for a proper division of labor economy: private property, private ownership of the means of production, free market price system, profits, pursuit of personal self interest, freedom of competition, freedom of inequality, saving and accumulation of capital
universal wage and price controls by government monopoly
increases in quantity demanded
decreases in quantity and quality of supply
shortages of goods and labor
rationing
hoarding
endless waiting lines
massive black markets
failure of centralized planning and bureaucratic management
increased inefficiency and waste
destruction of economic order and harmony
economic chaos in distribution of goods, labor, and capital, and anarchy of production
destruction of vital industries
impotence of consumers to influence producers
hatred between buyers and sellers
socialist production quota system
decreased or paralyzed individual incentive to provide high quality goods and services
decreased or paralyzed individual initiative to make improvements
decreased technological advances and technological progress = technological backwardness
assault on and destruction of total productive ability
assault on and destruction of economic progress
assault on and destruction of prosperity
assault on and destruction of happiness
economic stagnation, decline, and decay followed by impoverishment and economic collapse
increased exploitation and powerlessness of the masses
tyranny, forced labor,
terror, and mass murder
aristocratic privilege and elitist court society for leaders and their favorites

(2) morality:

In the context of a rational society and country:
- life is the objective standard of value,
- and so, things that are beneficial to life are also an objective value
- it is a fact of reality that life requires individual rights, and that they are beneficial to life,
- therefore, individual rights are an objective value, are pro-life, and are moral.
- Capitalism and limited government are compatible with individual rights,
- and so, capitalism and limited government are an objective value, are pro-life, and are moral.
- It is a fact of reality that socialism and statism require force, and therefore, are incompatible with individual rights
- it is a fact of reality that socialism and statism are harmful to life,
- therefore, socialism and statism are an objective anti-value, are anti-life, and are immoral.

25 posted on 09/29/2018 9:10:20 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Vaquero

There’s really no sense in debating socialists/communists.

A complete waste of time while they continue to destroy you behind your back.

It all boils down to who is going to hang who with these people.

There is no compromise.

It’s all about the revolution.


26 posted on 09/29/2018 9:10:24 AM PDT by TADSLOS (I hate Russian Dolls. They are so full of themselves.)
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To: ThE_RiPpEr.

I fear for President Trump and his family. The swamp is not defeated. I believe he’s on the way to doing so but there are powerful people with many nasty weapons both figuratively and actual.

Just Look at what’s happening with Kavanaugh. Even when he’s on the Court, he will be considered tainted by the left/media. Every case he reviews they will say he should recuse himself. Absolute Bull$h!t.

Sometimes you just have to punch someone and give them a bloody nose to get their attention.


27 posted on 09/29/2018 9:14:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Zero sum game now.
Like in a real war, one guy must die the other lives.
GOP are spineless cucks.
They don’t understand the Marxist Democrat party has always used these rules in politics and refuse to punch back twice as hard.


28 posted on 09/29/2018 9:22:37 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

DeSpotsAmerica tell the workers THEY will hold the power but Marxist Waters already spilled the beans that the goal is to nationalize (seize) all industries and give the money and reigns to the corrupt AF State.


29 posted on 09/29/2018 9:23:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s also important to note that churches have become nothing more than “social justice” centers.

We’ve become busy bee’s doing good “works”, everybody is quick to “do” something, to show others AND THEMSELVES, what good “christians” they are.

Society THINKS that’s what a good christian is supposed to be.

Christianity has become about ourselves.
What we think about us.
What we want other christians to think about us.
And how we want nonchristians to think about us.

TRUE Christianity is all about Christ.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The Good News.
The good news that ALL have sinned and fall short of Gods glory, BUT Jesus Christ is the way for any and all to reach Gods glory.

We refuse to hurt peoples feelings with the word sin, but want to give them a cookie to feel better.

The world (U.S.) thinks christianity (churches) should be nothing more than Uncle Sugar’s, because we have allowed them to think that, or get the impression, that’s what christianity is. Whenever moral issues arise, we are in essence told to shut up and quit judging, you bad christian and give us what we want, because that is what good christians do.

Because we no longer live and teach the Word,
our actions through “social justice” alone, appear very similar to socialism.

It becomes very easy then for unlearned people to see “Jesus” as a hippy, or a socialist, or just a good teacher.

Our churches thus legitimize communism and socialism, by our actions.
Thus, for the politics of communism and socialism, there is NO NEED for the church or chrsitians, because the government then is doing what the good christians were doing, without that occasional blather about morality, sin and Jesus from the bad christians.


30 posted on 09/29/2018 9:32:43 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Para-Ord.45; All
"We demand profit sharing in big business."

Buy stock in the company. You can buy fractional stocks these days. Investor insights welcome.

"We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious citizen the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education. We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents."

What institutionally indoctrinated DSA leaders unsurprisingly don’t understand about the “government” powers mentioned above is this. In USA, the power to establish the earthly utopia that many people look for are based on 10th Amendment-protected state powers, depending on what the legal voters of a given state want, not the very limited powers that the states have expressly constitutionally delegated to corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification feds.

”... the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen, under the solemn sanction of an oath imposed by your Federal Constitution, is in the States, and not in the Federal Government [emphases added].” —Rep. John Bingham, Congressional Globe, 1866. (See about middle of 3rd column.)


"The government must undertake the improvement of public health-by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor, by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth."

The above hypocritical statement on children makes me very very angry. This is because, regardless that socialists front-end themselves with children, they certainly don't hesitate to promote the murder of unborn children to win votes to stay in power.

Insights welcome.

31 posted on 09/29/2018 9:50:56 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Para-Ord.45
There's only one way to debate a socialist totalitarian: The Second Amendment. Apply as often as needed. Never forget that buried underneath all of socialism's Utopian promises is a disarmed, cowed and obedient population.
32 posted on 09/29/2018 9:54:30 AM PDT by jmacusa (Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: Amendment10

Insight:

The belief that is said to be settled law is that the life of any living woman is more importaant than that of an unborn

The current battle is to assure that which is considered settled will not become unsettled and change. The outcome rests in the votes of two women who may, that is may, put the status quo of this issue above the general well being of America


33 posted on 09/29/2018 10:02:50 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: Para-Ord.45

There are, in my opinion, two kinds of socialists: Marxists and feudalists. The Marxist believes in a set of premises which basically are the same as a criminal’s - what you have is mine. The feudalist believes in a collective society - everybody is responsible for and to everybody else.

The Democratic Socialists seem to be Marxists who want to sound like feudalists.


34 posted on 09/29/2018 10:22:02 AM PDT by VietVet
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Here’s How To Successfully Debate A Democratic Socialist

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. (in other words, don't argue with an idiot less you be mistaken for the idiot.)

Proverbs 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

35 posted on 09/29/2018 10:49:01 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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“Most of them are NOT communists. Most of them are USEFUL IDIOTS of the communists.”

I totally agree!

When you look at the personal lives of the useful commie tool, they themselves LIVE very Capitalistic and a lot of times, conservative lives.

My in-laws are a prime example. They like the money they earn at their jobs, they like their stuff, they like their privacy, they dont really give to charity, they still believe in God even though they ignore Him except to wonder why HE brought on the problem they are facing now and then.
They like their guns, they like their racism (the N word is funny in private), Same for gays, they dont cheat on their spouses, they complain about taxes going up and April 15, they like turning their heat up in the winter and crank the A/C in the summer etc...
You can go on and on...

Socialism is really for everybody ELSE, not them personally, but theyre all for it!!


36 posted on 09/29/2018 11:29:55 AM PDT by joethedrummer
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To: Para-Ord.45

Slap them. Slap them again. Repeat as many times as necessary.


37 posted on 09/29/2018 5:24:27 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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Why socialists need capitalism points out that socialists are now giving out free “Obamaphones” as a “right” - but cell phones wouldn’t exist if socialism had been instituted before capitalists designed and built them and their infrastructure. And that is far from the only example of such a novel “right.” Medical care as we know it is also such - institute socialism in 1900, and there are no antibiotics, let alone MRIs and CAT scans.

So it is always too soon to institute socialism.

Another approach is to take on socialism’s insistence on worker management of industry. Apple is the biggest corporation in the US. Just exactly what would assembly line workers making computers or tablets or phones know about managing Apple? They know zilch - and if they did, that knowledge would destroy or severely compromise Apple’s business plan!

Likewise, twenty years ago or so, in the middle of the computer boom, I read an old socialist tract about worker participation in management - arguing, unconvincingly, that workers would be able to help decide whether to make diesel or steam locomotives! That was written when airlines were beginning to take over the long-distance passenger travel market. They do not know what the actually important questions even are! (Most of us don’t).


38 posted on 09/29/2018 7:09:29 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Journalism promotes itself - and promotes big government - by speaking ill of society.)
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Never seek a temporary diplomatic solution when the matter could be settled permanently through judicious use of high explosives.

Forgiveness is God's bailiwick, not mine.

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

39 posted on 09/29/2018 8:29:48 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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