Posted on 10/04/2018 7:41:37 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Okay, so you dismiss facts. Now you say anything that doesn’t comport with your idiotic world view is stupid.
What next, you advocate doing away with places like FRee Republic because people there don’t hold with your world view?
People from these regions do enter Europe, come to the U. S., and endanger our allies.
None the less you advocate we pull back within our own borders and just wait for the next attack.
Wow.
One of us actually experienced one of these attacks and it was not you.
For you this is all hypothetical so you’re not taking it seriously.
For me this is a very real thing that actually happened. I don’t appreciate the frivolous way with which you deal with the situation - at all.
Oh, so now only you can make these determinations.
You really cover all the bases don’t you.
You belched about the losses in Afghanistan. I point out it’s a voluntary service, and we only lost six people last year and nine the year before.
Then you tell me I’m gullible, because I point out we took out Osama Ben Laden from Afghanistan.
Now you’re telling me I’m being frivolous, so I should shut up and listen to you.
As I stated before, you dismiss what anyone else says that has merit. Thus in your own mind, you’ve prevailed.
That’s exactly what our Leftist students do on our university campuses. They won’t listen to any other world view, because they and only they know it all.
You know, you’re getting the same results for trying the ame thing they do.
Not buying your ideology.
Projection. I’m not buying your ideology, and as a terrorism survivor I say you’re completely full of it.
No, you’re an isolationist. Projection? LOL
Sorry bub, but you don’t get to do the labeling in a void.
As for your venture as a terrorism survivor, please explain.
I’m curious why you would want terrorist training camps in foreign nations to thrive, if you truly were a terrorism survivor.
Surely you must grasp on some level that terrorists from foreign nations do train and learn to carry on their trade some place. Eliminating those places is the best sure-fire way to stop the spread of terrorism.
> As for your venture as a terrorism survivor, please explain.
I was 49 floors up in WTC2 when it got bombed in 1993.
I was right across the river when the towers came down in 2001.
I grew up right outside the city, and lived downtown as a young adult. Those buildings were the geographic center of my universe.
Trillions of dollars and many wars later we are no safer than we were on the morning of February 26th, 1993. At some point the strategy has to become accountable, and it’s not been accountable for results at all.
The proper policy is: No Muslims are allowed in. Just like Japan, the land of zero terrorism (save one long-ago, indigenous and anomalous incident). Secure borders so they can’t just walk in and do their thing. Until we get there, this is all just a waste of lives and money, and does not serve the objective of security at all.
I have no problem with denying Islam a foothold here. They already have one, but the ideology is not compatible with Western Civilization, so limiting it is necessary. I would go so far as to agree to resettling as many Islamic adherents as we could back overseas. Nations that have allowed refugees to return, should have their expats returned to them.
Look I appreciate the fact you were in the trade center in 1993, and close to it in September of 2001. As much as I do so, that was not an attack solely on you.
It did impact you more because you were there, live in the area, and it is your neighborhood, but this doesn’t give you license to deny people who very much support the victims of that attack, a right to express views about what it takes to deal with terrorism globally.
Yes, we have spent trillions in the region. We have also removed a despot Saddam Hussein that was a continued threat to the region. We have also taken out Osama Ben Laden. We have killed terrorist leaders and disrupted their networks. There are times when we have killed up to 90 terrorists at meet-ups.
The world of today is too small to simply pull back into the U. S and ignore everything else.
Israel is an important ally. The region is important globally what with oil reserves and trade. It is important as a staging area for Russia and China.
It was a very big deal when all those Arab states showed interest in putting a lid on terrorism. They suffer from it also, internally.
Back during Vietnam, our leaders (mostly Democrats) demanded we call ceasefires. We would make headway, then they would demand ceasefires, and the enemy would regroup, resupply, and get ready to go at our troops again.
If we withdraw from that region, that’s all that will take place. Even the minimalist control and headway we have made, will be lost.
I just don’t agree with your take on things. I know others feel as you do. I’m just not one of them.
Proactive engagement is better than pulling a Jimmy Carter, and hoping for the best.
Thank you for that note.
I got another story for you which will tell you exactly what success looks like.
When I was a young adult, my friends and I would regularly wander down to the Financial District and meander through the halls of the World Financial Center, which included the two towers as well as several other buildings, a raised tunnel across the highway, and the buildings at the north end of Battery Park City. We’d then head down to the end of the boardwalk and hang out.
During those meandering adventures, we rarely even saw a security patrol. It simply was not necessary, as there was no threat to secure against.
Five years of Bill Clinton lies about the incident later I joined a Free Republic protest at the Capitol. While wandering the grounds of the Capitol, I saw no security whatsoever. I’m sure there must have been some, but they were discreet.
Five years ago I went to the Capitol again a number of times, as I had some work a few blocks from there. At that time, the place was crawling with rifle-toting, black clad security that looked like it stepped right out of the film Brazil. One of those morons actually carelessly unintentionally swept me with his rifle and I was not happy about that at all, these guys didn’t even display basic firearms discipline.
I imagine the abomination that was eventually rebuilt on the site of the WTC, with its concrete fortress street facade, looks much the same today as well. I last saw it about a decade ago and it was already on its way.
You’ll know we’re doing something right when we need less domestic security rather than more. When future teenage Americans can wander innocently through buildings of glass and marble and behold the wonders of modern civilization, or when they can freely walk into the offices of their own Representatives to petition for redress of grievances, without needing to penetrate a security lockdown to do it.
Not only are we not there, and nowhere near there, but we have been moving in the opposite direction. Trump is the first to stem the tide with his focus on border security and immigration controls, and unwillingness to get the US embroiled in new commitments in the tar baby swamps of the Middle East.
I don’t expect things to return to what you and I experienced in the 50s, 60s, or 70s.
The effects of sin are evident, and I firmly believe we live in the Proverbial Last days.
I know we could focus on the terrorists, but even our own citizens voice the idea killing Trump would be good. Some just want him impeached. Others think he obtained his wealth from secret deals with Russia.
We have our own citizens go postal and fire into large groups killing as many as they can.
The point is, we can’t expect the terrorist world to go back to what it was. It’s not going to happen. The only reason our youth had less terrorism, is because the world wasn’t as small back then. The terrorists couldn’t get to us as easily.
Today any person with the cash can come here, it seems. They’re loons, but it’s hard to tell them apart from our loons at times.
The Leftists have networked our people with other people. It’s a global war. They are at the center of the enemies efforts.
I’m sure it seems to you that this is all our fault.
I don’t think it is. This world is decaying around us.
If you’re a Christian, this was expected.
I’ve seen these days coming since my youth.
The end is playing out > IMO.
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