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Turkey concludes Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi killed by 'murder' team, sources say
Washington Compost ^ | October 6 at 7:02 PM | Kareem Fahim

Posted on 10/06/2018 9:38:07 PM PDT by robowombat

ISTANBUL — Turkey has concluded that Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent journalist from Saudi Arabia, was killed in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul earlier this week by a Saudi team sent “specifically for the murder,” two people with knowledge of the probe said Saturday.

Turkish investigators believe a 15-member team “came from Saudi Arabia. It was a preplanned murder,” said one of the people. Both spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation.

They offered no specific evidence to back up the account. Earlier Saturday, however, Turkey’s Anadolu news agency said the Istanbul public prosecutor’s office had opened a probe into Khashoggi’s disappearance. Turkish authorities have said that Khashoggi never left the consulate

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To: AdmSmith
Erdogan is describing the time-line, but is not going into details about the video or audio etc.
101 posted on 10/23/2018 2:32:53 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Erdogan is asking On whose orders was the team in Turkey? Why was the consulate not opened to investigators immediately? Why were so many different statements given by Saudis? Who is the local collaborator who disposed of Khashoggi’s body, and where is the body? KSA must answer all these questions.


102 posted on 10/23/2018 2:40:22 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

Erdogan: Turkey has evidence that it was premeditated murder, and that the Saudi team made investigations in the forest before the killing.
(Note: A Saudi diplomatic car has been found outside the city)

Erdogan is not backing down he want to have a trial in Turkey for the team, and assistance from other countries.


103 posted on 10/23/2018 2:48:58 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

The speech is in the parliament and it looks as he has full support from all the members of the parliament incl the opposition. They are chanting patriotic slogans. What is the next step?


104 posted on 10/23/2018 2:52:51 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: nuconvert; gandalftb; SunkenCiv; AmericanInTokyo
Mr. Erdogan, the person close to him said, recounted that a Saudi envoy, Prince Khaled bin Faisal, had offered a package of inducements for Turkey to drop the case — including financial aid and investments to help Turkey’s struggling economy, and an end to a Saudi embargo on Qatar, a Turkish ally. Mr. Erdogan has told associates that he angrily rejected the offer as “a political bribe,” this person said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/world/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-turkey-saudi-arabia.html

Comment: This indicates that Erdogan has some very juicy information about the case, perhaps even some of it is coming from KSA from those that are against MbS.



Prince Hicham: Prince Hicham bin Abdullah, cousin of the Morocco’s King Mohammed VI and maternal cousin of the Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, is one of the voices who, in his writings and lectures, has warned about the adventurism of the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Prince Hicham is the only member of an Arab royal family to have written following the death of the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the Consulate of Saudi Arabia in Istanbul on 2 October 2018, describing this operation as savage and calling upon the Saudi authorities to address it transparently.

Regarding other aspects associated with this issue, including its international ramifications and also royal implications in Saudi Arabia, Prince Hicham – who in the past enjoyed a close relationship with this family – said: “There is great tension within the Saudi royal establishment because Crown Prince Mohamed Bin Salman has violated all written laws and established traditions and customs, not least of which includes the siege of Qatar and the Ritz Carlton affair. Here is something new: a heinous murder where a peaceful and unarmed citizen’s body was cut to pieces, which is contrary to not just Islamic law but also the traditions of Saudi society. This has instigated a sense of horror among many Saudi.

After reviewing all of this, Prince Hicham concludes: “If Saudi Arabia escapes this crisis without damage, it could encourage other, even more serious adventures. Compounding the problem is a structural deficit within the decision-making process in Saudi Arabia and in the implementation of decisions.”

Regarding the role of King Salman in all these developments, Prince Hicham adds, “I am sure that King Salman was not aware of all the details of this issue, and that he only became aware after the recent visit of Prince Khalid al-Faisal in Turkey (which involved a personal meeting with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan), and the subsequent visit of US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to Riyadh.

Commenting about the Saudi royal family’s internal dynamics, Prince Hicham commented: “Social relations and trust between the princes have virtually disappeared, as former spaces of communication have vanished. The Crown Prince destroyed this old model but without presenting a realistic and viable alternative model. In this climate, the last decision belongs to King Salman himself. I think that he will try to restore confidence and reduce the tensions borne of this case by encouraging some checks-and-balance mechanisms, but it seems to me that it is already too late. Let us not forget that the current situation is itself the result of such superficial and fragile arrangements that have been adopted in the past.”

Prince Hicham assures: “US and Saudi efforts to absolve the Crown Prince of this mess will only deepen the structural crisis of the decision-making process, as they will try to save Mohammad bin Salman’s power and authority. Any drastic new attempt to impose an arrangement by King Salman will be condemned to failure since the Crown Prince is going to feel that this threatens his interests and power. Even if Saudi Arabia manage to contain the crisis, this crime will weigh heavily on the image of the Crown Prince and the country, which increases the likelihood of a shift to a violent solution. Likewise, the decision to sacrifice senior officials and security officers in the crisis will lead to the consequence that these bodies will no longer trust the Crown Prince, which will result in another dangerous situation.”

https://alifpost.org/prince-hicham-turkey-has-refused-compromises-in-the-khashoggi-case-and-the-situation-in-saudi-arabia-may-lead-to-a-violent-outcome/

105 posted on 10/23/2018 4:41:20 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: cynwoody

In the news today the Saudis are saying that Kershogi died in a brawl and they will punish those in their government that did this (the prince did not know).

Erdogan is saying it goes all the way to the top.

Who is telling the truth I doubt we will ever know.


106 posted on 10/23/2018 5:19:16 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: robowombat
? Interesting from every perspective including; is this fellow any relation the Adnan Kashoggi, one time world's richest arms trafficer.

He's his nephew. He's also the nephew of Mohammed Al-Fayed and the first cousin of Doadi Fayed. Not to mention muslim brotherhood and best buddies with Osama bin Laden.

107 posted on 10/23/2018 5:23:08 AM PDT by pgkdan (The Silent Majority STILL Stands With TRUMP! WWG1WGA)
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To: pgkdan; Pontiac
The MB-part is not that important it is more about opposition to MsB. Someone of the descendants of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudairi_Seven will be "anointed". the question today is who?
108 posted on 10/23/2018 7:21:59 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

109 posted on 10/23/2018 7:23:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: cynwoody

When I wrote his I was under the impression he was an American citizen - and that there was a level of responsibility.

My mistake.


110 posted on 10/23/2018 8:02:57 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats want dead children & VIOLENCE at the border... for their "Kent State" photo op...)
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To: pgkdan
Interesting from every perspective including; is this fellow any relation the Adnan Kashoggi, one time world's richest arms trafficer.
He's his nephew. He's also the nephew of Mohammed Al-Fayed and the first cousin of Doadi Fayed. Not to mention muslim brotherhood and best buddies with Osama bin Laden.

This should provide conspiracy and hidden hand aficionados with a veritable banquet of possibilities.

111 posted on 10/23/2018 3:43:44 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: robowombat

Money talks https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/24/middleeast/pakistan-saudi-khashoggi-loan-intl/index.html


112 posted on 10/24/2018 3:19:36 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

the Saudis are desperate to avoid Erdogan’s publication of evidence that would point to bin Salman’s culpability. Erdogan may not have this evidence, but the Western intelligence community does. And we should note that Erdogan chose his words very deliberately on Tuesday when he demanded Turkey identify everyone involved in Khashoggi’s killing. This complement, Erdogan said, had to include the “one giving the order to the one who carried it out....”

Erdogan knows that he must strike a balanced line with the Saudis. Riyadh is already furious with Erdogan for what it regards as his excessive support for Islamist movements beyond Saudi control. But with the Turkish economy struggling, Erdogan has little appetite for punitive Saudi economic measures. For the Turkish leader, then, the great balancing act is extracting maximum concessions from Saudi Arabia, bringing significant negative attention to Saudi Arabia, but also avoiding a complete diplomatic breach with Saudi Arabia. That’s why Erdogan is putting the ball in bin Salman’s court as to whether he wants to play hardball or not. Both sides, Erdogan ventures, will choose Erdogan’s blackmail choice.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/how-president-erdogan-is-using-jamal-khashoggis-murder-to-his-own-advantage


113 posted on 10/24/2018 3:35:30 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

BBC 9 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8TLLDLXt9Q

Who is the Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman? - BBC Newsnight


114 posted on 10/24/2018 4:29:29 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
Saudi Press Agency

Riyadh, Safar 16, 1440, October 25, 2018, SPA — The General Attorney stated that further to the statement issued on 10/2/1440 H on the findings of preliminary investigations conducted by the Public Prosecution in the case of citizen Jamal Ahmad Khashoggi, the Public Prosecution received information from the Turkish side through the Joint Working Team between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Republic of Turkey indicates that the suspects in the incident had committed their act with a premeditated intention.

The Public Prosecution continues its investigations with the accused in the light of what it has received and the results of its investigations to reach facts and complete the course of justice.
—SPA

https://www.spa.gov.sa/viewstory.php?lang=en&newsid=1833775

115 posted on 10/25/2018 6:15:58 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: gandalftb; nuconvert; SunkenCiv

Prince Ahmed Bin Abdulaziz, younger bro of King Salman, reportedly arrived in Riyadh early today from self-imposed exile in London.
https://twitter.com/FrankRGardner/status/1057195663019130880

He would not have returned to Riyadh for nothing, see https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3694311/posts?page=75#75

The question is open: will MbS be replaced as Crown Prince, and if so by his brother Khalid or the Kings brother Ahmed Bin Abdulaziz? or, by the former Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, or

will Khalid be appointed deputy Crown Prince?


116 posted on 10/30/2018 10:28:40 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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The Three Amigos

Iran's President Hassan Rouhani, Russia's Vladimir Putin and Turkey's Tayyip Erdogan meet in Sochi, Russia November 22, 2017. (photo credit: SPUTNIK/MIKHAIL METZEL/KREMLIN VIA REUTERS)

Column One: Portents of quagmires in Syria

117 posted on 10/30/2018 4:29:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: AdmSmith

Speculations:

Prince Ahmad bin Abdulaziz returns to Riyadh with UK and US security guarantees and a brief to cut the crown prince down to size
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-saudi-dissident-prince-flies-home-tackle-mbs-succession-58983364


118 posted on 10/31/2018 2:25:09 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
Michael Stephens (A trustworthy source)

Ahmad was never very good at taking on the role of the big guy at the top. I recall his post-Hajj briefing in 2012 when he essentially spent half of it thanking MbN amongst plenty of inshallahs. He didn't come across as a man of strength, or authority.
Assist other senior princes with taking on more responsibility and evening out power balances within the family. This is my hunch, I have no proof of it, but I know this. MbS is totally safe, and this development at most is about capacity in the Royal Household, not some plot.

https://twitter.com/MStephensGulf/status/1057594067595522048

Expect a busy weekend in the palace.

119 posted on 10/31/2018 10:07:01 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: gandalftb

This is from Sabah, i.e. leaks from the Turkish government:

It publishes the names and personal details about the three persons that were supervising the case and writes that the body of Khashoggi was put in 5 suitcases and transported to the house of the consul.

Turkish: https://www.sabah.com.tr/galeri/turkiye/iste-cesedi-yok-eden-cellatlar


120 posted on 11/04/2018 6:36:13 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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