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1 posted on 10/07/2018 7:29:48 PM PDT by vannrox
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1913 was a bad year…

You could say it was the beginning of a new United States of America… which hardly resembled the old structure.

It was the beginning of taxation without representation… The complete reversal of everything Americans fought for and achieved during the American Revolution.

It began the era of the American Empire. A centralized government, large enough to do whatever it wanted without restraint.

Too large for the people to control through representative democracy.

We still have a chance to be represented in state governments. But secession is a topic for another day…

2 posted on 10/07/2018 7:31:29 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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This is one of those threads for the intellectual, patient reader type.

I’ll save it for later :)

Seems rather important.

But I have too much ADD to read it except when i’m very tired but still focused enough to understand what i’m reading :)


3 posted on 10/07/2018 7:32:25 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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The solution?
A Convention of States.

Repeal the 17th amendment.
Two term limit (just like president) for all federal positions.
Repeal the 16th amendment and institute a national sales tax.
...and other stuff...

But too many people are terrified by the Article 5 provision of the Constitution.


4 posted on 10/07/2018 7:35:51 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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It’s a Big Club...and you ain’t in it.


5 posted on 10/07/2018 7:36:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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It is so good to see this being disseminated!!!

The way to restore the balance of power is to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments to the Constitution and repeal the House Rule limiting the House of Representatives to 435. Please see my Federalist Letters to Corporate America for the detailed explanation of why and how to achieve this.

https://backyardfence.wordpress.com/federalist-letters-to-corporate-ameria/


6 posted on 10/07/2018 7:38:22 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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Another Woodrow Wilson master plan?


7 posted on 10/07/2018 7:40:31 PM PDT by juma (What i s the real answer ? Does anyone Know ?)
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What would be the current Senate breakdown (D/R) if the 17th Amendment did not exist?


8 posted on 10/07/2018 7:45:51 PM PDT by montag813
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Retarded. Giving me instead of a piece of crap politician my own vote for Senator means my vote doesn’t count?

Just imagine President Trump out of the stump “We need to give career politicians the ability to choose Senators behind closed doors. Drain the swamp?”

Yeah, NO.


9 posted on 10/07/2018 7:49:08 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal)
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bkmk


12 posted on 10/07/2018 8:02:50 PM PDT by sauropod
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So a heap of money from a government employee union or a billionaire to a few members of a state assembly would surely buy all of the senatorial elections! What a magnificent evil plot! Big municipals would rule, and we’d have a total, permanent police state!

I now see more clearly how the proposition is so attractive to folks who are much more involved in politics than most of us.


16 posted on 10/07/2018 8:32:25 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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Supposedly the last time 65% of eligible US voters voted in national elections was back in 1908, less for state and local. It hasn’t broken that since, a lot of them being below 55%. At least by any thing that I have seen.

Nobody really seems to care that millions and millions in campaign money is spent to convince the swayable to vote one way or the other, and we still haven’t broken 65% eligible voter turnout in 108 years. That is pretty amazing to me.

Freegards


17 posted on 10/07/2018 8:34:58 PM PDT by Ransomed
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Every state has its own Congress, mirroring the US system. You vote for state Representatives and state Senators and they run the state government.

Nope.

Nebraska has a unicameral (one chamber) Legislature

18 posted on 10/07/2018 8:38:07 PM PDT by lightman (Obama's legacy in 13 letters: BLM, ISIS, & ANTIFA. New axis of evil.)
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Creation of the Federal Reserve was the worst thing this country has ever done.


21 posted on 10/07/2018 9:06:41 PM PDT by PGR88
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Hear ye, hear ye.


24 posted on 10/07/2018 10:04:42 PM PDT by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam ; Dems may change USAgov completely, just amend USConstitution)
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Bookmark.


25 posted on 10/07/2018 10:12:13 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that there is a natural tendency of any isolated system to degenerate into a more disordered state. The US Congress is proof.


40 posted on 10/08/2018 1:46:22 AM PDT by HarleyD
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The Federal Reserve system was implemented, cementing centralized federal control over the banking and monetary system…

The Federal Reserve isn't Federal, and it has no reserve. It's an arm of the global banking cartel, and if Trump has his way I suspect it's about to be nationalized, disempowered and eventually dissolved.

41 posted on 10/08/2018 3:43:42 AM PDT by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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I would side with the repeal of the 17th Amendment simply on the grounds that it was created by the Founders to check the power f the Federal government. We desperately need that check. Some background on how well it worked in the past would be helpful.


52 posted on 10/08/2018 10:27:34 AM PDT by Crucial
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Also, if you really cared about issues it was much easier to try to influence people’s votes more locally around you than vast amounts of people’s vote spread out much further away from you.


59 posted on 10/08/2018 5:09:56 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus? He says absolutely amazing things, which few dare conside. r.)
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Summon all math majors to make sense of this!

I don't think she's right about the calculation.

But just in practical terms, if you live in a Democrat state, you may still have a chance of electing a Republican by popular vote, but you will never do so by a vote of the state legislature.

Not unless returning election of senators to state legislators made state legislatures and state elections function in a radically different way.

And if you live in a Republican state, the Senators the state legislature sends to Washington would tend to be part of the club, people who've paid their dues to the party machine, not those who would shake things up.

88 posted on 10/09/2018 4:25:21 PM PDT by x
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