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To: BillyBoy; Gigantor; Repeal The 17th; Henry Hnyellar; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; LS; ...

I recall Ted Cruz came out in favor of it a few years ago. That was ironic since the Texas Leg, led by RINO Speaker Joe Staruss and RINO Lt. Governor David Dewhurst would have with 100% certainty elected Dewhurst (hmmmmmmm funny how that works eh?) whilst GOP primary voters instead selected Cruz.

You could forget about any decent Senators being elected because RINOS and democrats would team up to elect RINOs in every GOP-controlled state. Talk about an “open primary”!!!!!!! Alaska RINOs have teamed with rats to control the State House there, can you say “Senator for Life Lisa Murkowski”?

Sick of talking about this stupid crap. It isn’t even ON THE TABLE AND NEVER WILL BE. Try campaigning on it, you’d get friggin laughed at. The previous method of election was crappy and not working with seats left vacant whenever legislatures were too closely divide and elites bickered behind CLOSED DOORS. That’s why the 17th was OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED.

In 1877 Illinois democrats used the Senate election in an attempt to bribe Supreme Court Justice David Davis into making rat Sam Tilden President. They didn’t count on Davis having a shred of integrity so it blew up in their faces. This is the kind of crap we should pining for a return to?

GIVING MORE POWER TO A BUNCH OF POLITICIANS IS STUPID BECAUSE ****DUH****. It’s not rocket science. Stop pining for an idealized past that NEVER ACTUALLY EXISTED and use your BRAIN people. You expect a bunch of politicians being given MORE power and the people they represent LESS will make things BETTER? That’s loony tunes. The problem with our country is not electoral process it’s the existence of socialist pigs and weak-willed sissy “conservatives” (guess what? State legislatures are full of both). The pigs in my state leg don’t speak for ME. The people of the states are “the states” and they don’t need a small handful of middlemen to elect the most powerful legislature in the world for them.

The Senate was different from the House in 3 ways,

1)Equal representation for all states, by far the most important difference. You have liberals now proposing DC and Puerto Rico Statehood to solve their “We’re not gonna win the Senate and that’s not ‘fair’” problem. We’re gonna propose a more elitist Senate while they’re doing that? That would play right into their hands.

2)Term Length

3)Method of election was a distant third, stop fixating on it.

Ridiculous nonsense.

If you’re looking for a failed “reform” to eliminate I’d suggest civil service “reform”. Back in the day Republican Presidents could hire Republicans to work at the post office and stuff, democrat Presidents hired democrats. Now they’re all democrats all the time, fair huh? I doubt we could succeed in bringing back the spoils system but at least it would HELP US if we did. Tilt at the windmill.


31 posted on 10/07/2018 11:38:13 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal)
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To: Impy; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; LS

17th Amendment mouthbreathing again?

Why bother replying to it? It’s like arguing with the same 75 IQ lifeform that the Earth isn’t flat. It’s pointless.

And Happy COLUMBUS Day!

It’s not (((Indigenous Peoples’ Day))) or any other PC-speak garbage.


45 posted on 10/08/2018 5:21:58 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Impy

The States do not have representation in the Congress - you haven’t said why you support removing the check and balance set up by the Founders.


64 posted on 10/09/2018 2:09:11 AM PDT by Gigantor (Either the United States respects its Constitution, or there is no need for a United States.)
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To: Impy
"You could forget about any decent Senators being elected because RINOS and democrats would team up to elect RINOs in every GOP-controlled state. Talk about an “open primary”!!!!!!! Alaska RINOs have teamed with rats to control the State House there, can you say “Senator for Life Lisa Murkowski”?"

Are not State Representatives elected by the people? Tell me what is harder to overcome: Kicking out your State Representative who corrupts the process with your next vote by those who pay attention...

or

Kicking out special interests groups with well funded propaganda campaigns (FROM OTHER STATES), the Party apparatus (FROM OTHER STATES), the media picking favorites (WITH SEEMINGLY UNLIMITED FUNDS), ignorant voters (WITHIN YOUR STATE)? The current system is a lot easier to corrupt by focusing on one or two Senators, rather than 100's of Reps in State Legislatures that evil tries to tempt.

By the way, Madison's point II on the Senate was this:

It is equally unnecessary to dilate on the appointment of senators by the State legislatures. Among the various modes which might have been devised for constituting this branch of the government, that which has been proposed by the convention is probably the most congenial with the public opinion. It is recommended by the double advantage of favoring a select appointment, and of giving to the State governments such an agency in the formation of the federal government as must secure the authority of the former, and may form a convenient link between the two systems.

This idea was not a distant third, the election of Senators by the State Legislature was at the FOREFRONT (You "YELLED" first btw).

Madison futher states in Federalist 63 that matters concerning the population are over their heads in some cases (Which is why voting privileges were restricted from the beginning). Now your vote is canceled out by some activists wishing to tax you into oblivion or some homeless bum who cancelled your vote for some beer and cigarettes.

Have fun with that system. For the record, it's too late to repeal anything or bring back sane policies. The voting genie is out of the bottle, once voting "rights" expanded, this "experiment" was ended. Trump is a flash in the pan until the electorate get fickle again and vote for another "progressive".
68 posted on 10/09/2018 4:09:45 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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