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Dem pollster: Women are less likely to support abortion rights than men
The Hill ^ | 7/6/2018 | The Hill Staff (Unsigned)

Posted on 10/08/2018 9:23:32 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell

Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said … that women are more likely to oppose abortion rights than men.

“Women are much less likely to be pro-choice," Lake, who is the president of Lake Research, told Hill TV's Joe Concha on "What America's Thinking."

"Women are more religious than men, and so women are slightly less pro-choice than men," she continued.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2018election; 2020election; abortion; brettkavanaugh; celindalake; election2018; election2020; joeconch; joeconcha; lakeresearch; maga; proaborts; roe; scotus; thehill
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To: IrishBrigade

I don’t think most of the women you are referring to have actually had a child.


21 posted on 10/08/2018 10:28:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Little Ray
Here's the letter from Sanger to Gamble in its entirety.

December 10, 1939

Dr. C. J. Gamble
255 Adams Street
Milton, Mass

Dear Doctor Gamble:
It's good to know that you are recovering. I also am stepping up and have felt much better the past week.

Miss Delp was here for Thanksgiving and I am more than delighted to learn that she was able to get $250.00 from the California Birth Control organization plus the $600.00 from the Federation. That's good; she is a go-getter and a live wire, very tactful and charming as well. I think that my pick of her has been justified, even though she is a little higher priced than the ordinary. She has been working on the article to be written by Miriam de Ford (Mrs. Maynard Shipley). They were good enough to send me a rough draft for comments and suggestions, and the important suggestion that I made was not to include Miss Delp's actual name in the article, because of the fact that her sister is married to one of the high spots in the Farm Security Department and if the enemy started to work on her name they might make it difficult along the line; otherwise I think the article is good.

As to my sending suggestions to the Federation: I think it is really unfair for me to do so. I am too far away to have the personal contact of the different reactions and it only holds up any definite project to have the pros and cons battered about which makes for more chaos and confusion.

There is only one thing that I would like to be in touch with and that is the Negro Project of the South which, if the execution of the details remain in Miss Rose's hands, my suggestions will not be confusing because she knows the way my mind works.

Miss Rose sent me a copy of your letter of December 5th and I note that you doubt it worthwhile to employ a full time Negro physician. It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us.

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

I agree with you that Miss Rose has done a remarkable job in thinking thru and planning the Project but she has worked on it for sometime. As soon as I knew there was the possibility of getting any money I put her at work drafting the plan for Mr. Lackner. She is excellent at just such a job. She hangs on to details, weaves and corrulates them into the design. I shall never cease to have the utmost admiration and regard for her ability, and so far I have not seen anyone in the Federation who could take her place.

I am constantly delighted at the thought that you are getting better and now we must pray for Mrs. Timme who is seriously ill at the Doctors' Hospital in New York. My regards to your Sarah and to yourself.

Sincerely yours,Br> MS/mh Margaret Sanger


Sources (some with photos of original typewritten letter, which has been preserved, and more correspondence with more context.

22 posted on 10/08/2018 10:33:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Abortion does not call into question the unborn baby's humanity, but our own.)
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To: Iron Munro

It’s not true that Margaret Sanger advocated abortion.

She advocated contraception, but was highly aware of the dangers and consequences of abortion.

https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/webedition/app/documents/show.php?sangerDoc=232534.xml

“I also assert that the responsibility for these abortions and the illness, misery and deaths that come in their train lies at the door of a government whose authority has been stretched beyond the limits of the people’s intention and which, in its puritanical blindness, insists upon suffering and death from ignorance, rather than life and happiness from knowledge and prevention.”


23 posted on 10/08/2018 10:49:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democracy dies when Democrats refuse to accept the result of a democratic election they didn't win.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

“Women are more religious than men, and so women are slightly less pro-choice than men,” she continued.


What a bunch of misogynists!!!!!


24 posted on 10/08/2018 11:14:25 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: CharlesOConnell

My observation has been that women are MUCH more willing to kill their children than the men are. And they vote that way too. So I’m talking Democrats.

Thank God for conservative women like my Mrs.


25 posted on 10/08/2018 11:56:02 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Socialism is for losers.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

This was always about two things: Releasing men from the responsibility for the child and culling blacks. They could care less about the woman.


26 posted on 10/08/2018 11:56:12 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”

This could be interpreted as trying to dispel a false rumor.


27 posted on 10/09/2018 5:10:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Little Ray

Oh — kay.


28 posted on 10/09/2018 7:15:22 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Live and Let Live.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That was something that I read defending Sanger - that we’d entirely flipped the meaning of that paragraph. I had only seen the short version and was wondering about the complete context, which, in this case, doesn’t make it clearer.
It could still be an intent to do away with blacks through abortion and birth control.


29 posted on 10/09/2018 9:09:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: CharlesOConnell

Bump


30 posted on 10/09/2018 9:15:51 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

DUH!!

The most consistent supporter of abortion have AlWAYs been young men!!! That’s been consistent in every poll taken. But the media keeps lying about that


31 posted on 10/09/2018 9:20:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Little Ray
Sanger had a visible leadership role in the pre-WWII eugenics movement, which was explicitly racist, openly networked with British-Darwinist and Nazi eugenicists (the former were as racially elitist as the latter), and tactically willing to use "choice" rhetoric to cover coercive policy preferences.

After WWI, she said couples should have to be genetically ranked and licensed to have children. After WWII she said there should be a law prohibiting childbearing for 10 years --- like losing 2 generations (WWI and WWII) wasn't enough.

To her credit she did not campaign for abortion. She thought segregation and sterilization were the preferred ways to control the 'reckless breeders'.

Wikipedia removed the racist aspects of her bio. That doesn't surprise you, does it?

32 posted on 10/09/2018 9:45:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Romans 12:9 - "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No.
But there are a lot of people defending this person and, if I have to engage, I want to make absolutely sure I’m accurate. I don’t want any misinterpretations.
Trying to prevent false rumors is one thing, while concealing genocidal intent is entirely another.


33 posted on 10/09/2018 1:30:42 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Little Ray
You're right to want to be accurate about the quote, and to include the context. This quote is accurate, and the context is unedited: complete.

If that's not enough to prove intent, then you have to go for the bigger context: Sanger's political and professional colleagues and allies --- the people whose articles she solicited for Birth Control Review, who sponsored her talks, who subsidized The Negro Project and her clinic in Harlem --- who supported her masthead banner goal of "more children from the fit, less from the unfit."

Why were her millionaire friends avid to address the "Negro Problem" by contraception, sterilization and segregation rather than --- say ---education, employment, and ownership of productive capital?

Why did she switch her advocacy back and forth from voluntary to coercive means, depending on who she was talking to?

Sanger was not a solo operator, but part of a whole social-political network, and in all those decades (roughly 1915 - 1966) she never saw fit to distance herself from any of her racist eugenicist allies, not even those affiliated with German National Socialism.

Sanger invited Hitler's top racial advisor, Eugen Fischer, to lecture in the United States while her colleague, Lothrop Stoddard, went to Germany to meet Hitler. Stoddard, while associated with Sanger, wrote "The Rising Tide of Color against White World Supremacy."

Sanger' magazine published articles by Ernst Rudin, the infamous Nazi race specialist. That may be enough context to elucidate the direct quote, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Sanger is routinely portrayed by Planned Parenthood's allies as having a humanitarian concern for Jewish slum mothers like Sadie Sachs. They fail to mention that Sanger actively supported the anti-Semitic immigration restrictions keeping Jews out of the United States. Sanger even opposed maternity clinics which would have given Sadie Sachs and others like her the help she needed to bring her child safely into the world.

Sanger was opposed to every measure--- whether public program or private philanthropy --- which would help the poor survive. She opposed private and Church-funded charities as tyrannical, while at the same time demanding compulsory birth control, sterilization, exclusion and segregation for disfavored social and racial groups.

It's quite clear what she stood for, and whom she stood against.

34 posted on 10/09/2018 2:24:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Fasure.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you!


35 posted on 10/09/2018 4:38:01 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: DoughtyOne
There are also many men that don’t want the baby aborted.

The pro-life movement is doing nothing to secure for those fathers the legal right to protect their daughters and sons between conception and birth.

Pursuing that legal right for fathers would go against the Women Are Victims And Men Are Villains By Default ideology that is hobbling the pro-life movement.

36 posted on 05/22/2020 5:40:47 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: HamiltonJay

The majority of supporters of abortion are women.


37 posted on 05/22/2020 5:41:37 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: IrishBrigade

Well said.


38 posted on 05/22/2020 5:43:29 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: Toughluck_freeper

You’re right.


39 posted on 05/22/2020 5:44:08 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: AC86UT89

Millions of abortions, signed for by women, prove that there have been millions of women without the mythical maternal instinct.


40 posted on 05/22/2020 5:46:36 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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