Posted on 10/12/2018 9:24:28 AM PDT by Kaslin
He had an appointment at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to collect some documents he needed to marry his Turkish fiancee -- a certificate showing that he was divorced from his first wife. He entered the consulate on Oct. 2 at 1:14 p.m., asking his fiancee to wait outside for him. She did. Until 2 a.m. He never emerged.
A number of news outlets, citing Turkish sources, are reporting that Jamal Khashoggi, the former editor of a Saudi newspaper, regime critic and Washington Post contributor, was murdered. The New York Times quoted sources who said that 15 Saudi agents from the security services, including one autopsy expert, entered Turkey that same day on two chartered flights. They departed that evening. The Saudis claim that Khashoggi left the consulate an hour after he arrived and have no idea what became of him. The Turks would like to send a forensic team inside, but the Saudis have refused.
The story is making headlines around the world. Murder and possible dismemberment in a diplomatic facility will do that. President Donald Trump, who has forged very close ties with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, has described it as "a very sad situation." Trump continued: "It's a very bad situation. We cannot let this happen, to reporters, to anybody."
If, as looks very likely, Khashoggi was kidnapped and murdered on the orders of the crown prince, it should be a cautionary tale for his overly enthusiastic fans in the West. Just six months ago, the 33-year-old spent three weeks in the U.S. meeting leaders of business and government. In addition to an Oval Office session, he met Hollywood bigwigs Morgan Freeman, James Coleman and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. CBS's "60 Minutes" hailed Mohammed bin Salman as a "revolutionary" who was emancipating women. He was received by Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, Rupert Murdoch and Stephen Schwarzman of the Blackstone Group. Jared Kushner reportedly felt that the two young scions understood one another, and helped persuade Trump to make Saudi Arabia his first foreign destination.
But Crown Prince Mohammed's nods in the direction of reform -- he has permitted movie theaters to open for the first time in decades, and women now have the right to drive (at least in theory) -- shouldn't cause hearts to flutter. The history of western wishful thinking about "reformist" dictators is very, very long and nearly always ends in tears. After Leonid Brezhnev died, the American press was suddenly enamored of former KGB head Yuri Andropov. He spoke English! He "relaxed with American novels." The Washington Post reported that he "is fond of cynical political jokes with an antiregime twist ... collects abstract art, likes jazz and Gypsy music," and "has a record of stepping out of his high party official's cocoon to contact dissidents."
It was the purest KGB disinformation, but we so wanted it to be true. Andrew Young called the Ayatollah Khomeini a "saint." George McGovern compared Ho Chi Minh to George Washington. And Hillary Clinton described Bashar al-Assad as a "reformer."
Crown Prince Mohammed has made reformist noises; it's true. But the arrests and convictions of peaceful protestors have not abated. If anything, they've increased. On Oct. 28, Israa al-Ghomgham, a female Shiite activist faces trial and possible execution. Human Rights Watch says the charges against her are not recognizable as crimes. According to the Guardian, the charges include "participating in protests, chanting slogans hostile to the regime, attempting to inflame public opinion and filming protests and publishing on social media."
The crown prince seems to have hair trigger about criticism from abroad as well. When Canada's foreign minister tweeted out a call for the Saudi monarchy to release two jailed dissidents, the crown prince went to Defcon 4. He cut all ties with Canada, ordered all Saudi students home from Canadian universities, and expelled the ambassador.
According to The Washington Post, intelligence intercepts reveal that Mohammed bin Salman devised a plan to lure Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia and detain him. It looks as if he might have ordered something quite a bit worse.
Sometimes you have to deal with bad actors on the world stage. But you don't have to delude yourself about who and what they are.
What the media forgets to mention is that Jamal Khashoggi was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Not a US Citizen, Not Our Problem. That said, I don’t mind seeing us cut relations with Saudi Arabia, even Turkey for that matter.
I’d be very, very careful here about making assumptions....
I don’t care ... muslim on muslim violence should be encouraged.
The extreme concern for this man is bizarre. Cannot figure out what the reason is.
No only not a our problem, but one less Islamic cult terrorist to worry about.
I do not care
MAYBE they are trying to drive a WEDGE between Trump and the NEW KING who is actually allowing women to DRIVE!!
He was a “reporter” and the MEDIA is having a COW BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF THEIRS!
Muslim on muslim violence is their religion. I was encouraged by the Iran-Iraq war
Totally agree. This is — apparently — big, big news. But stuff like this happens all the time. Okay, it’s unfortunate. But it’s a sad world and not everything becomes “big, big news”.
There must be far more to this than it appears. And I have no idea who is on what side.
Wow. First I heard of that.
We have the Pastor back?
The only thing I can think of is that because he was a prominent journalist who sometimes wrote for the Washington Post, a lot of reporters are keeping this in the news.
As far as I see it, it's a Saudi issue, and not our concern.
Middle East politics, and Saudi royal politics in particular, are treacherous, murderous, and opaque, and anyone who flatters himself that he understands them is dumb enough to work in our State Department but not to cross the street unattended.
He’s also related to Adnan Khashoggi, famous arms dealer.
Reporters get killed in Mexico, Russia, Bulgaria, and other places. It’s pretty common. The media in the US typically reports it and has a “that’s a shame; we are a noble profession” moment. But Khashoggi is being handled in a special way.
Bet there be tears in the Obama household.
And Huma’s household also!
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