Posted on 10/12/2018 7:13:42 PM PDT by yesthatjallen
President Trump praised Confederate Geader Robert E. Lee as "a great general" on Friday during a campaign rally in Lebanon, Ohio.
"So Robert E. Lee was a great general. And Abraham Lincoln developed a phobia. He couldn’t beat Robert E. Lee," Trump said before launching into a monologue about Lee, Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant.
"He was going crazy. I don’t know if you know this story. But Robert E. Lee was winning battle after battle after battle. And Abraham Lincoln came home, he said, 'I can’t beat Robert E. Lee,'" Trump said.
"And he had all of his generals, they looked great, they were the top of their class at West Point. They were the greatest people. There’s only one problem — they didn’t know how the hell to win. They didn’t know how to fight. They didn’t know how," he continued.
Trump went on to say, multiple times, that Grant had a drinking problem, saying that the former president "knocked the hell out of everyone" as a Union general.
"Man was he a good general. And he’s finally being recognized as a great general," Trump added.
— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 13, 2018 Trump has drawn criticism for his defense of Confederate statues, including those of Robert E. Lee.
He drew widespread condemnation last year following a deadly rally in Charlottesville, Va., saying that white nationalist protesters were there to oppose the removal of a "very, very important" statue.
"They were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee,” Trump said at the time. “This week it's Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”
Trump, speaking at another rally in Ohio last year, said that he can be one of the “most presidential” presidents to hold office. "…With the exception of the late, great Abraham Lincoln, I can be more presidential than any president that’s ever held this office,” he said to a crowd in Youngstown.
Been awhile since I’ve seen the southhaters.. trying to remember the one that stood out the most up until a couple of years ago. I believe he was zotted, but can’t remember his name :p
“The next year at the Battle of Cold Harbor, Grant ordered even more disastrous frontal attacks against Lee’s trenches than he had at Vicksburg. On June 3, 1864, he suffered more than 7,000 casualties, including about 4,000 in the first eight-minute attack. During the rest of the day Grant’s men deceptively disobeyed further assault orders by temporarily intensifying their firing rate while remaining in place. The historian Bruce Catton wrote, “Even Burnside’s hopeless attack on Fredericksburg had not been so brutally smashed.” Similar to Vicksburg, Grant delayed four days before admitting that, unlike Confederates, the Union side needed a truce to collect between-the-lines casualties.”- Phil Leigh, NYTimes
“Lee is the greatest military genius in America, myself not excepted.”- General Winfield Scott
“What General Lee’s feelings were I do not know. As he was a man of much dignity, with an impassible face, it was impossible to say whether he felt inwardly glad that the end had finally come, or felt sad over the result, and was too manly to show it. Whatever his feelings, they were entirely concealed from my observation; but my own feelings, which had been quite jubilant on the receipt of his letter, were sad and depressed. I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly...”- Ulysses Grant, Appomattox
OMG.. thanks to your profile page, I was able to find him, lmao :D
trumandogz
He didn't beat Meade at Gettysburg, did he?
“From what I’ve read, RE Lee was greatly troubled when deciding on which side to fight for.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeGBpTFZhh4
Robert E. Lee refuses command of the Union Army
“I have search the history of the world and have found no general US Grants equal.”
RE Lee, some time after the civil war was over.
Other than than Cold Harbor, and even that wasnt a true loss, Grant NEVER lost a battle. Lee did.
Could it have been "Non-Sequitur?"
Lee lost a few very small battles before he started to win. So much so that they originally called him Granny Lee.
Grant never lost a battle. At Cold Harbor after Grant made that hellish mistake both side stood their ground. Funny thing is, Grant made the same exact mistake Lee made at Gettysburg.
The sad part of that battle was that neither Lee nor Grant would send out a white flag to collect the men fallen in the field. So much so that Lee refused to negotiate to terms for a cease fire to do that. By the time they agreed, they collected very few still alive on that battlefield. It manifested itself at the very end of the war in VA when Grant reached out to Lee to discuss terms. Nearly every Union General, remembering Cold Harbor, took a stand to utterly destroy Lees army. Grant said no, and the rest is history.
Did Grant drink? Yes, when there wasnt anything going on he’d hit the whisky. But when things were lively, he never touched the stuff and to be honest, he never drank anymore than any of some of the other military leaders in our history-like Patton. Problem was, it took hardly anything for him to get drunk.
Grant and Sherman were the fathers of modern warfare. The Germans TO THIS DAY, study their tactics. Lee was stuck back in the old Napoleon style warfare and that was his downfall.
Actually, he lost his first battle, but it was a minor one: the Battle of Belmont.
Well said!
I admire Grant very much, so I'm not picking on him, but at Cold Harbor the overwhelming number of wounded men on the field were his. He did not want to gather them under the customary white flag of truce, since it would signify he'd been defeated (he had). Lee insisted on proprieties, and there were several letters back and forth. Grant intentionally misrepresented Lee's intent in his reply to Lee's first letter. It was a tragic show of stubbornness between the two generals.
I know you for what you are
An anti south bigot and a coward who discloses nothing who can’t stand in the sun
A perfectly hospitable thread and you pollute it with your virtue signaling canard which is what you chose to do even though your cohort who hit the thread earlier was non confrontational
Let’s see though
Our president Donald Trump compliments Robert E Lee for whatever reason....maybe cause he’s smarter than you and appreciates his base unlike you
But per your wisdom folks who compliment Robert E Lee are Lost Causers which in Macpherson speak and Goldberg speak
Your language btw
Means Nazi too
So I can infer that you think Donald Trump is a Lost Cause and Nazi sympathizer correct?
Eisenhower and Churchill and Ronald Reagan and Jack Kennedy are lost causer Nazis too while we’re at it since they too lauded Lee.
That’s precisely where talk like yours ALWAYS leads.....and to dragging down statues in the middle of the night
And it doesn’t stop with CSA military and political figures
Nosiree skippy
It goes right to Jefferson and Washington and Monroe and Madison and Andy Jackson and nay even Lincoln
In your clumsy haste to breastbeat your cheap virtue you’ve ponied up to ANTIFA at Charlottesville
Maybe that’s where you belong
Not here
Exactly.
Lee's downfall was his preference for offense when his resources could only support defense.
The result was he used up his men at a rate faster than the Confederacy could replace.
Yes and he lost the high ground that day.....a rare mistake that Jackson would not have allowed him to make
Ewell screwed pooch...akin to Schofield sneaking past Hood and Cheatham at Spring Hill
My children’s ggg uncle General William Barksdale was killed end of the first day at the peach orchard leading from the front on horseback long white hair flowing ...took musket balls and a cannonball to his boot
Died two days later in a federal hospital
Buried in my hometown
wardaddy to Rockingham: "Wow
80 posts before your strawman bullshit
Feel better ?
Just shows this forum as a whole is a far better place than you handful of south haters
So go screw yourself"
Sorry, wardaddy, but there are no "south haters" here, only you North haters.
Rockingham merely pointed out factually that Lee was too aggressive and so used up his men at a rate faster than the Confederacy could replace.
By the way, you might remember another great Virginia general who fully understood his own limitations and played his cards exactly right all the way to ultimate victory.
What was his name?
Oh, yeh, I remember: George Washington.
I don’t hate the north fool
I got northern kids you idiot
And business in Michigan with palm and thumb folk
I detest you cowards who bash my ancestry as Nazis while we hold on as the most reliable conservative part of the nation...a fact not lost on our president
And now you’re calling Donald Trump a Lost Causer too...lord you sound like Brook Baldwin
Quit being a coward and tell us who you are.
The light is shining quite well on you right now
A nice thread with folks being congenial and polite till your Antifa like crowd shows up and craps in the punch bowl in concert as always
Rockrr to his credit was behaving but rockingham not so much restraint
Plenty of good men laid Lincoln from Trump on
If that bugs you take it up with Jim Robinson
I know where to find him
You gonna call Trump a Lost Causer and Nazi on this forum ?
Do it in public
I want to see this in the bright hours....not at 2am
I’m in Baton Rouge for the game....where shucks they have a Lee parkway and a Beauregard st and all manner of things your pals in New Orleans. and Charlottesville won’t brook
Go ahead and address with Mr Thompson your concerns that Trumps views on Lee makes him a Lost Causer bigot
I want to see this
This is disgusting. I even saw a liberal defending Trump on Twitter (he got a lot of likes and RTs too). They are making it sound like Trump was actively out there supporting the confederacy when his whole point is that Lee was a good general, so Lincoln had to find someone to beat him. Lincoln found Grant who, despite issues with alcohol, was able to win.
They know the liberals will never watch his speech for the most part & will fall for that headline bait. A quick look at Twitter shows that. The sad thing is, they crave that reaction, but what they want are to do is reach moderates. If they have to upset African Americans who are mislead by that headline and think Trump supports the confederacy because they didn’t see the rally, they don’t care. They are willing to do that for Dem votes. Incredibly divisive, racist, and disgusting.
I don’t agree with Trump on this one. Lee was a traitor who took up arms against the duly elected government of The United States.
General Grant was a great general the way Smokin’ Joe Frazier was a great boxer and Larry Csonka was a great football player. They came right at you. They were relentless.
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