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To: grobdriver

Fleet Admiral Ernest J. King. King was the United States Navy’s second most senior officer in World War II after Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, who served as Chief of Staff to the Commander in Chief.

King was one spare no nonsense bad ass. Roosevelt supposedly said that he had heard that King shaved with a blowtorch. King said, “When they get in trouble, they send for the sons-of-bitches.”

King was our third Five Star officer after Fleet Admiral Leahy and General Marshall. List by seniority:

Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy 15 December 1944
General of the Army George Marshall 16 December 1944
Fleet Admiral Ernest King 17 December 1944
General of the Army Douglas MacArthur 18 December 1944
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz 19 December 1944
General of the Army Dwight D. Eisenhower 20 December 1944
General of the Army & Air Force Henry H. Arnold 21 December 1944 & 7 May 1949
Fleet Admiral William Halsey, Jr. 11 December 1945
General of the Army Omar Bradley 20 September 1950
General of the Armies George Washington 4 July 1976, with an effective appointment date of 4 July 1776

Before the five-star ranks were established in 1944, two officers had previously been promoted from their four-star ranks to the superior and unique ranks of Admiral of the Navy and General of the Armies: Admiral George Dewey (appointment 1903 retroactive to 1899, died 1917) and General John J. Pershing (appointed 1919, died 1948). In 1944 the Navy and Army specified that these officers were considered senior to any officers promoted to the five-star ranks within their services (but it was not clear if they were senior by rank or by seniority due to an earlier date of rank).

Five-star ranks were created in the US military during World War II because of the awkward situation created when some American senior commanders were placed in positions commanding allied officers of higher rank. US officers holding five-star rank never retire; they draw full active duty pay for life. The five-star ranks were retired in 1981 on the death of General of the Army Omar Bradley.

Nine Americans have been promoted to five-star rank, one of them, Henry H. Arnold, in two services (US Army then later in the US Air Force). As part of the bicentennial celebration, George Washington was, 177 years after his death, permanently made senior to all other US generals/admirals, with the title general of the armies, effective on 4 July 1976. The appointment stated he was to have “rank and precedence over all other grades of the Army, past or present.”

Technically one could include General Pershing and Admiral Dewey. But I’m going by the list of promotions commencing in December of 1944. In any event General Eisenhower and MacArthur are down the list a bit.


16 posted on 10/15/2018 1:07:30 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: donaldo

Thanks for the info. FReepers always bring the knowledge.


20 posted on 10/15/2018 1:11:07 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: donaldo

Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy

ANY kin to LOOSE LIPS ??


34 posted on 10/15/2018 1:21:05 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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To: donaldo

General Washington is considered by the Army to be the most senior general.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_officers_in_the_United_States


55 posted on 10/15/2018 1:31:33 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: donaldo

Eisenhower retired as a General of the Army after his time as Chief of Staff. He resigned the rank upon his election as President. He asked JFK to have his previous rank restored after he left the White House in January 1961. The law restoring that rank passed Congress in March 1961.


90 posted on 10/15/2018 2:16:44 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: donaldo
Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy 15 December 1944
General of the Army George Marshall 16 December 1944
Fleet Admiral Ernest King 17 December 1944
General of the Army Douglas MacArthur 18 December 1944
Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz 19 December 1944
General of the Army Dwight D. Eisenhower 20 December 1944
General of the Army & Air Force Henry H. Arnold 21 December 1944

This list reveals the importance of "time in grade" to the military.

People who have not been in the military may not realize the importance of determining "who is in charge", whether in the heat of battle or otherwise. The military today has enlisted ranks which are denoted as "E-1", the lowest, to "E-9". Ignoring "Warrant Officers", officers are denoted as "O-1", the lowest commissioned officer to "O-11".

All E-6s outrank all E-5s. All O-4s outrank all O-3s, and so on. Of two military personnel with the same rank, the one who has the longest "time in grade" is the ranking person. This reality is reflected in the table above, indicating that Leahy outranked Marshall. Both were promoted to the same rank but Leahy was promoted one day earlier. This meant that he would always have one day more "time in grade" than Marshall.

This mechanism for determining who outranks whom is essential for ensuring that military units, whether in the heat of battle or otherwise would always be able to determine who is in command. This mechanism is fully reinforced by mandating that every chain-of-command in the military recognizes this same ranking.

One consequence of using this mechanism universally was the challenge that Lincoln faced when he wished to place Grant, who was lower ranked than other officers over which Grant was to be commander, over the Army of the Potomac. My recollection is that Grant received a promotion to make that assignment possible.

103 posted on 10/15/2018 5:39:40 PM PDT by William Tell
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