Posted on 10/20/2018 3:35:44 AM PDT by cpforlife.org
The fact of the matter is that Roe v. Wade is sh8t law. There is no “right” to kill another human in the United States, there is no “right” to kill your child in the United States and babies need protection from murderous parents. That said, we will not go backwards, abortion will be legal but heavily regulated. Morning after pill will be favored.
That’s not what Jewish law says, genius. At the first breath is when a person becomes human. It will be difficult to sell that personhood begins at conception. At the point of viability, yes.
60+ million babies murdered since 1973. What a morally bankrupt society we live in.
JoMa
The timing of this wasn’t an accident. It is somehow staged to motivate the crazies on the left.
Back during the 2008 election, I clipped an article (now lost) from a law blog that said that the unwritten “right of privacy” that Roe v. Wade discovered in the Constitution had been cited in over 350 SCOTUS rulings since — and there was no way that those rulings would be undone. That is why SCOTUS nominees refer to “precedent” when being questioned.
How can a correct court ruling in the matter of life not be a positive thing? Please share what you think would have been a better outcome?
This is not the time to raise this issue, in my opinion. Are they trying to throw the midterms to the Democrats by giving women an issue to motivate them to the voting booth?
Well then you miss that this is exactly how motivation is generated to get the opposition to the voting booth. You do this when you have the numbers, not when you are trying to secure them.
He could raise the point that it is a violation of "Equal Protection" for a man to face death for killing an unborn child, when mother has the right to kill the child with impunity. You can't have it both ways.
We don’t need the house or senate to have the Supreme Court over turn it...
The No Roy Moore Cabal will rise up, here, too, and do their best to destroy Parker.
“We don’t need the house or senate to have the Supreme Court over turn it..”
Right. But we do need the Senate to hold hearings on Trump’s SCOTUS nominees. I’m still not 100% comfortable with Gorsuch. And Kavanaugh has said it’s “settled law”. I’d be happier with one more Trump SCOTUS on the bench before this happens. (But that’s just me.)
Viability is not something that's fundamental in the life of a person. It's merely a measurement of the local medical technology. Notice that the point of viability is much different in a modern U.S. hospital than it is in a primitive grass hut in Kenya. (But someone born in a grass hut in Kenya is as much a human being as someone born in a modern U.S. hospital.)
The TIMING of this is INAUSPICIOUS!!
VERY BAD BEFORE MID-TERMS!
“That’s not what Jewish law says, genius.”
Really?
“At the first breath is when a person becomes human.”
If you are going to accuse me of being a genius, you should at least get your own posts correct. Perhaps, you should have written, “first breath is when a human life becomes a person.”
They could only be of the human species since the moment of fertilization, right?
“At the point of viability,” is always changing.
See this:
http://www.reclaimingjudaism.org/teachings/when-does-life-begin-jewish-view
By:
Rabbi Goldie Milgram
Most often in Jewish sacred literature, a fetus in the womb is considered a human life “under construction.” The soul is usually described as arriving when the first breath of life is taken at birth. The primary Jewish imagery for the beginning of life comes from Genesis 1:2, where breath hovers above the waters of earth before life emerges from that cosmic womb. Then, in Genesis 2:7, after the body of Adam is fashioned from the clay of the earth, G*d is described as breathing life into him. These stories frame the basis for the Jewish view that the fetus gains full human rights and status only once the baby’s head has emerged from the birth canal [Ohalot 7:6].
There is one Talmudic passage in which a Greek philosopher presses a rabbi on this issue until–probably for the sake of peace with the Greek occupiers of the Land of Israel—the rabbi accedes to the prevailing view in Greek culture that the soul is present from conception. This concession did not, however, change the Jewish perspective that the activation of the fetus’s status as a human with full human rights still occurs upon birth.
The Designated Soul
The soul a baby will receive is traditionally understood to be pre-destined. The combining of the particular soul with the particular body it enters results in a human. An often-cited commentary relates that all the souls that will ever exist were “created during the six days of Creation, and were in the Garden of Eden, and all were present at the giving of the Torah [at Sinai].” [Tanhuma, Pekudei 3]. This perspective is reflected in Jeremiah 1:5: “I knew you, before I formed you in the belly, before you left the womb.” Or as sometimes friends or family are known to say to small children, “We knew you before you were even a twinkle in your parents’ eyes.” In the Talmud the distinction between body and soul is particularly clear in this passage: “When the time arrives for a person to depart from this world, G*d takes G*d’s portion back and leaves the portions contributed by the parents.” [T. Niddah 31a]
There are many terms for soul and soul qualities in Jewish sacred literature such as reasoning, curiosity, innovation, intuition, emotion and awe – all of which become possible once a child has been born. (To learn the five primary Hebrew terms for soul and more about each dimension of soul they represent, please see Meaning & Mitzvah by Rabbi Milgram, pages 26-29.)
The Torah confounds our senses by offering us an impossible paradox: that humans are created b’tzelem elohim, “in the image of G*d.” [Genesis 11:7]. G*d in Judaism has no image, that’s foundational. So what kind of koan or, spiritual brain puzzle is this? Rabbi Harold Schulweis, teaches a helpful midrash:
“The angels, having heard that God planned to create the human being in His image, grew jealous. What does mere mortal man have to deserve such a gift? The angels plotted to hide the image of God from the human being. One angel suggested that it be hid on the tallest mountain. Another suggested that it be sunk into the deep of the sea. But the shrewdest angel demurred. “Man,” he said, “is an adventurer. He will climb the highest mountain. He will plumb the deepest ocean. But if we want to hide it from him, let us hide the image in himself. It is the last place in the world that he will seek it.”
Another popular midrash also emphasizes this notion of not making it easy to uncover our connection to the Big Picture. This story also accords the fetus cognitive ability while in the womb. It goes like this: While the fetus is gestating, an angel is teaching it Torah, all of Torah. When the child is about to be born, the angel flicks the child just above the lip, causing everything that was learned to be forgotten. [Niddah 30b] Just enough residual memory remains for the human to experience the urge to seek, savor, and believe we can find and connect again to that sweet, deep learning in our lives.
At the burning bush Moses asks how to name the source of his realization that slavery does not have to be a forever thing, that he has the contacts and training to attempt redeeming the Israelites. The answer, described as coming from G*d, is: Ehyeh. “I Am Becoming.” Moses asks again, and the idea is then elaborated: ehyeh asher ehyeh, “I am becoming what I am becoming.” According to this exchange we are all very much created in the image of G*d. As parents, we foster the great unfolding of potential within creation by how we raise our children. We are part of the research and development team creating the future. In this way each human arrives in service of the Infinite Potential for Change inherent within creation. From this we experience joy, awe, challenge, and trembling before the awesome responsibility of becoming a parent.
“Viability” is a dangerous standard when carried to its logical conclusion.
Nice oxygen tank you have there. I’d be a shame if someone took it away from you...
A half dozen feminazis just had a cerebral hemmorage.
These are fundamental rights, too.
But they are not "equally" as fundamental as the right to life.
The reason why, is that the right to life is prior, both chronologically and logically.
The Declaration, which is foundational to the American political philosophy,. and in the light of which we interpret the Constitution, says the fundamental rights are "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness," -- and this is the only reasonable order, since one must have life before one has liberty (or any other right), and liberty in order to pursue happiness.
Likewise, if you take away the right to life, you don't just take away one right, but all rights at once.
"Personhood" is simply life, subsisting in a member of the human species.
To try to pry apart the status of "human" and the status of "person" --- to create two classes of human beings, one class with rights and the other class without --- was the product of the thoroughly reprehensible Dred Scott Decision. Let Roe vs Wade be tossed out on the same ash heap.
Anytime is a good time to oppose human sacrifice.
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