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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Facts:
Roundup used improperly - not following the directions on the label does cause harm. This is not the fault of the product, but the user - like saying guns kill people and taking away guns;

Sprayed Roundup is at a concentration between 2-4 percent, depending on which of the dozen manufactures formulations are present;

Concentrated Roundup (not available to the public unless licensed by their state) is around 46 percent glyphosate. The rest is water and surfactant (makes the glyphosate stick to the plant leaves);

8 people (as of last count) tried to commit suicide by drinking the concentrate:
7 had bad stomach aches’
One died;

Surfactants, which are in most store bought glyphosate products, have never been studied;

There is NO conclusive data on the effect of glyphosate on humans. Most data points to no effects - as glyphosate targets plant genes not human;

All stories found on the internet are just that: stories. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing, but is good ‘evidence’ useful for use winning law suits, scaring small children, and snowflakes


32 posted on 10/22/2018 2:33:01 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF
Roundup used improperly - not following the directions on the label does cause harm.

This is an important point. I have a big jug of this stuff in my garage, and the MSDS is very clear that you should wear the following when applying:

1. Boots with socks
2. Long pants
3. Long-sleeved shirt
4. Vinyl or latex gloves
5. Respirator
6. Eye protection

If any of it comes in contact with skin, you should flush the skin with water for 10 minutes. When you're done applying, your clothes should be thoroughly soaked with water outside and then washed separately.

My wife loves when I apply this stuff around the pasture, because she gets to douse me with a hose while fully clothed. Stripping out of 30 lbs. of wet clothes isn't fun, but I'm not going to risk my life to control all manner of nature on my land. I'm also not going to try to control all manner of nature on my land without something to make the job easy.

Glyphosate makes quick work of pretty much everything it touches. Just leave it to rot and let the brush cutter clean it up later.

38 posted on 10/22/2018 3:40:35 AM PDT by rarestia (Repeal the 17th Amendment and ratify Article the First to give the power back to the people!)
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To: PIF
Facts:

Not so much.

Roundup used improperly - not following the directions on the label does cause harm. This is not the fault of the product, but the user - like saying guns kill people and taking away guns;

This does not mean that used "properly" it is without harm.

8 people (as of last count) tried to commit suicide by drinking the concentrate: 7 had bad stomach aches’ One died;

Don't think anyone is talking about drinking it.

There is NO conclusive data on the effect of glyphosate on humans. Most data points to no effects - as glyphosate targets plant genes not human;

I am specifically talking about gut bacteria, which is affected and consequently, the human that relies on gut bacterial.

All stories found on the internet are just that: stories. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing, but is good ‘evidence’ useful for use winning law suits, scaring small children, and snowflakes

Anecdotal evidence is cause for study. Monsanto focuses on sci-prop to keep it from being revealed.

Drink as much as you like. I'll avoid it.

42 posted on 10/22/2018 4:51:56 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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