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Online Free Speech Is Dead – GAB Faces Imminent Shutdown
Liberty Nation ^ | 28 October 2018 | Mark Angelides

Posted on 10/28/2018 8:59:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: Ron H.
No-platform us all you want. Ban us all you want. Smear us all you want.

You can’t stop an idea.


101 posted on 10/29/2018 2:06:14 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Borges
You are aware this site routinely expels posters right? These social media sites are not public utilities. They are not subject to “Common Carrier’ law like telephone service.

This site is more like a club, and in any case is not a system of mass communications reaching millions or more users. What might be tolerable for small sites, is not tolerable for large and significant sites.

I noticed John Robinson was expressing concern about this turn of events early on in this thread. I think they feel this censorship dragon is breathing down their neck too. Now we can all perish for some abstract theory about some potential danger we might face in the future, or we can take steps to stop it before we are unable to use public communications systems anymore.

It's time to put aside the sitzkreig and actually do something that might have a real result.

102 posted on 10/29/2018 2:12:30 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Who gets to decide when a site stops being a “club” and starts being a “system of mass communications”? Social media sites all have Terms of Service.


103 posted on 10/29/2018 2:19:05 PM PDT by Borges
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To: DiogenesLamp

No I regard your constant need to belittle and attack as insults, because that’s what they are. You replied to me first bub, don’t whine that I pointed out your idea is bad and would drastically increase government control with zero gain.


104 posted on 10/29/2018 2:21:55 PM PDT by discostu (Every gun makes its own tune.)
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To: Borges

This site presents itself as a conservative forum. It isn’t presented as the public square like FB or Twitter.


105 posted on 10/29/2018 2:23:17 PM PDT by meyer (WWG1WGA, MAGA!)
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To: meyer

A local coffee shop also presents itself as a “public square”. Go in there and start loudly spouting racist rhetoric and see how long it takes them to ask you to leave.


106 posted on 10/29/2018 2:27:34 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
Who gets to decide when a site stops being a “club” and starts being a “system of mass communications”?

It would seem to me that any system that has more than 10% market share ought to be forced to carry all traffic. We can quibble as to the proper percentage, but when you have millions of users, you are a big player.

Social media sites all have Terms of Service.

Don't care. Terms of service which violate law should be regarded as null and void. We just need to pass a law requiring them to carry traffic, or don't serve the public.

107 posted on 10/29/2018 4:35:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: discostu

I thought about replying to a lot of your earlier comments, but I didn’t have the time when I first noticed them. When I finally got the time, I figured “Why waste it on him?”


108 posted on 10/29/2018 4:36:54 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Borges
A local coffee shop also presents itself as a “public square”. Go in there and start loudly spouting racist rhetoric and see how long it takes them to ask you to leave.

When a local coffee shop routes millions of communications through it every day, then I will defend the right of racist to send their traffic through it too. Till then, small businesses ought to be able to do as they please.

109 posted on 10/29/2018 4:38:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Boomer
One fact is many Jewish people in America are secular Jews; not the Jews you write about. A very different breed.

The Jews who were martyred were in synagogue on the Sabbath (Shabbat), so they were not secular.
110 posted on 10/29/2018 5:44:01 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; John Robinson

noticed John Robinson was expressing concern about this turn of events early on in this thread. I think they feel this censorship dragon is breathing down their neck too.
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It’s time to put aside the sitzkreig and actually do something that might have a real result.


It’s chilling. Looking at the whole loop of tech/business forces closing in against non-communist citizens, it is bone chilling.

We’re essentially back to email, phone, and word-of-mouth
for conservatives to communicate. Email and phone can be closed off just like the ISPs, hosting services, payment services, banking services, social network services, etc., etc.

I saw the beginnings of this back in the 1980s-90s, when commies were getting into IT management, and purging all the conservative men and women, first from management positions, then from the technical positions through outsourcing/offshoring. Nobody listened then.

NOW. Arguing is useless. The communists have unregulated control of our communications, our payment processing, our banking, our ability to survive as a society of free citizens, without their detailed dictation on the terms of our existence. What to do?


111 posted on 10/29/2018 6:41:03 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: DiogenesLamp
Terms of service which violate law should be regarded as null and void. We just need to pass a law requiring them to carry traffic, or don't serve the public.

Lots of conservatives are going to reject "there oughta be a law against that", but that is where we are.

Communists have all the big money. Communists control all the corporate BODs and executive suites. Communists control all the big tech outfits. Communists control all the banking. Commies control all the Human Resources departments. Commies control all the colleges and universities.

Currently, conservatives have a small majority politically. That is the only advantage we have, and that can go away as soon as next Tuesday.

We can push for regulation to ensure our survival. Or we can continue to watch the screws tighten until we die or start fighting for real.

112 posted on 10/29/2018 6:54:22 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
It’s chilling. Looking at the whole loop of tech/business forces closing in against non-communist citizens, it is bone chilling.

Very much so for those of us who can see what is happening.

What to do?

Other than using the hammer of government to break these monopolies, I don't know. We can try to build our own networks, but it's doubtful that much of significance can be stood up in time to do anything against the Juggernaut.

But yes, we should be trying to build our own networks/server farms/cable infrastructure.

113 posted on 10/29/2018 7:09:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: meadsjn

Yup.


114 posted on 10/29/2018 7:10:50 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Many corners of the internet are threatened:

Big Tech's Biggest Dilemma... JustInformed Talk - Oct 29, 2018

115 posted on 10/29/2018 8:51:24 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: DiogenesLamp

Especially because you can’t be bothered with facts and only go for insults. You are wrong. You are useless. And you are pathetic.


116 posted on 10/30/2018 7:40:50 AM PDT by discostu (Every gun makes its own tune.)
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To: discostu

And you are about like I remember.


117 posted on 10/30/2018 7:51:22 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Borges

A coffee shop is private property.


118 posted on 10/30/2018 11:59:47 AM PDT by meyer (WWG1WGA, MAGA!)
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