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Trump reveals plan to use executive order to end birthright citizenship for children of illegals
American Thinker ^ | 10/30/2018 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 10/30/2018 8:33:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Expect an explosion of media outrage and high powered lawsuits, especially in jurisdictions with Trump-hating federal judges.  President Trump has launched an October surprise.

Last night in an interview granted to Jonathan Swan of Axios, President Trump announced his plans to use an executive order to end birthright citizenship for children born on American territory to illegal immigrants and foreign citizens, presumably at least those “not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States” as required by the 14th Amendment.

The Washington Post reports

“We’re the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for 85 years with all of those benefits,” Trump said during an interview with Axios scheduled to air as part of a new HBO series starting this weekend. “It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. And it has to end.”

Trump, who has long decried “anchor babies,” said he has discussed the move with his legal counsel and believes it can be accomplished with executive action, a view at odds with the opinions of many legal scholars.

“It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don’t,” Trump told Axios.

When told that view is disputed, Trump asserted: “You can definitely do it with an act of Congress. But now they’re saying I can do it just with an executive order.”

“It’s in the process. It’ll happen . . . with an executive order,” he said, without offering a time frame.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; anchorbabies; executiveorder; illegals; searchworks; trump; trumpeo; trumpillegals
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To: SeekAndFind

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Birthright citizenship is only for children of parents in the country “under the jurisdiction...” (14th amendment)


41 posted on 10/30/2018 10:14:22 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: txrefugee
In the past 15 years, Ireland, New Zealand and Australia have all revoked citizenship for children of illegal aliens. European countries have never had this stupid policy. Changing this pernicious practice in the USA is long overdue ----------------

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........ sounds good to me.

42 posted on 10/30/2018 10:15:49 AM PDT by a little elbow grease (duct tape and cable ties hold more worth than pussy hats andYOI! resistance)
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To: cuban leaf
"If a french couple on vacation has a baby in the US, so the couple, though visiting the US, resides in France, and they are subject to the jurisdiction of france, not the US"

A French couple on vacation in the US is subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Just like anyone else here. Subject to the jurisdiction means subject to the law, and visitors have to obey the law too.

43 posted on 10/30/2018 10:16:57 AM PDT by mlo
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump is making the Presidency Great Again. I haven’t seen a president like Trump since Ronnie...


44 posted on 10/30/2018 10:17:47 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: AJFavish

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Lots of fairytale double talk in that one!
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45 posted on 10/30/2018 10:20:33 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: mlo

That is the way I first interpreted it as well. But my mind was changed by the article.


46 posted on 10/30/2018 10:21:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: mlo

BTW, I meant this article, to which the OP article refers:
http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/


47 posted on 10/30/2018 10:22:37 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: chief lee runamok

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It will automatically be retroactive unless SCOTUS finds a reason why it cannot be (Highly unlikely)


48 posted on 10/30/2018 10:24:06 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: mlo

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One who enters unlawfully is not entering subject to the jurisdiction of the US, and has made themself subject to Admiralty Law, as though they were “at sea.”


49 posted on 10/30/2018 10:29:02 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: mlo
What happens if that French vacationing couple seeks refuge in the French embassy after accidentally killing someone in their rented car? While inside the French embassy, they are no longer subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. No natural born American citizen can do this.

If a person can seek refuge here in the USA in another country's embassy or consulate where they are not subject to our jurisdiction, then they are not fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Is there any place inside the United States where you or I can avoid the jurisdiction of the United States? Why should other "citizens" be afforded this right? Why should "birthright" citizens have more protections against United States jurisdiction than natural born citizens?

-PJ

50 posted on 10/30/2018 10:38:38 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: gaijin
The North wanted them to be voters.

Yes. It gave them unbridled control of congress. It was always about power.

51 posted on 10/30/2018 11:00:57 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately it is about 25-million children and thousands of dysfunctional elementary schools too late...


52 posted on 10/30/2018 11:20:35 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: editor-surveyor

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-von-spakovsky/birthright-citizenship-stems-fundamental-misunderstanding-14th


53 posted on 10/30/2018 12:37:55 PM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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To: chief lee runamok

“President Trump could explode more liberal heads by making this executive order retroactive.”

Why wouldn’t it be retroactive. I suspect he would be issuing an order stating that the Constitutional language about “subject to the jurisdiction” does not apply to people here illegally.

Kind of an interesting question where people have applied for asylum and are waiting. Are they “subject to the jurisdiction of the US”?


54 posted on 10/30/2018 1:19:07 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

I don[t think the 14th applies to illegal occupants of America.


55 posted on 10/30/2018 1:52:29 PM PDT by oldasrocks (rump)
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To: AJFavish

Thanks for the link. Read it while eating lunch. Too bad the discussion ended without discussing how, why, and when all this changed.


56 posted on 10/30/2018 2:22:27 PM PDT by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!y)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj; LS; BillyBoy; NFHale; DarthVader

This is...WOW!

I like where this is going.


57 posted on 10/30/2018 4:12:05 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: alancarp

It is possible that this is a first, tough negotiating position to ultimately get a law out of congress. Dems would push it to SCOTUS where it would be blessed.


58 posted on 10/30/2018 5:24:33 PM PDT by expat2
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To: alancarp

It is possible that this is a first, tough negotiating position to ultimately get a law out of congress. Dems would push it to SCOTUS where it would be blessed.


59 posted on 10/30/2018 5:29:17 PM PDT by expat2
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To: gaijin; Impy; Publius; Strac6; maddog55; Godebert; freedomjusticeruleoflaw; John Valentine; ...

We could use some specifics. But here’s a start.

I don’t know enough Latin to be a lawyer, but this one is a no-brainer when you understand the original intent.

Yesterday Rush Limbaugh read a document of original intent that made it clear that this was clearly NOT to be a pathway for immigrant citizenship. The amendment was to ensure that all slaves and their children would be full citizens.

And, when you study the history of the law, it was interpreted for SEVERAL decades [a century?] exactly the way Trump and Senator Lindsey Graham intend to interpret it. But a progressive court later re-interpreted the amendment [just like the bastardization of the Commerce Clause].


60 posted on 10/31/2018 4:43:13 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (FoxNews owes Judicial Watch a PROFOUND apology. Or are they corrupt?)
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