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Libertarians believe that no one (particularly those in power) should force you not to be as conservative or as liberal as you want as long as you are not harming or taking from others
Posted on 10/31/2018 6:45:23 AM PDT by Kaslin
Libertarians - always the monkey wrench in the works, the sabot in the gears, the perennial losers who ensure a Democrat victory on election day.
I agree with libertarianism..in theory.
>I agree with libertarianism..in theory.
Yes, most (R)N(C) believe in (L) in THEORY but, like (D), once the Constitution gets in the way of their own Socialistic\Fascism....
SS\MediXYZ “I *paid* for”, drugs (except caffeine\tobacco\alcohol), ever increasing property taxes for schools/anti-C. DoEd, repeal & replace O’Care (cuz’ THEY can run h’care better than the (D))...
I voted for 3 (out of the 5) libertarians on my ballot this election, and I don’t care if anyone thinks it’s a vote for a democrat. Republicans and in particular RINOs don’t deserve blanket/blind votes and people who give it to them only deserve more of the uniparty mess we always get
John Stossel is my favorite libertarian, although I would never vote for him or any other. They’re nuts
Libertarianism ..... Do what you want, as long as you don’t hurt/harm/bother/interfere/obstruct/get in the way of/blah blah blah, other people and there should be little to no reliance on government. Well, what is the Libertarian solution when any of that happens? Who determines who is harmed and how should they be dealt with, since the government should have no say in anything? To me they’re no different than the Radical Left. Don’t have a lot of answers, when asked sensible questions.
Pelosi and Shummer have a lock where they are. What conservative and libertarian voters need to do in those states and localities that aren’t marxist strongholds is to make sure they aren’t electing psuedo conservatives and faux libertarians. If you don’t have the backbone to throw them out then you’re either getting wolves or wolves in sheeps clothing.
Stossel is great at pointing out how ridiculous government is, the waste/fraud/abuse, and providing reasonable solutions to many issues, that government itself created. But, at the end of the day, even he has said it, what is killing this country is, Corporatism and the puppets in Congress and all governments down to city councils. They protect big business, because they’re promised a windfall in tax money, or an envelope under the table. Either way, it kills the little guy, picks winners and losers, and we get screwed in the process.
But, Libertarians don’t have any more correct answer’s than anyone else.
“Less government. More freedom to do what you want. No taxes.”
“What happens when your freedom infringes on my freedom?”
“Less government. More freedom to do what you want. No taxes.”
“But your freedom just infringed on my freedom.”
“Less government. More freedom to do what you want. No taxes.”
So, why don’t you help the government control freak Cuomo stay in office you douche-nozzle.
The only thing you libertarian clowns ensure is that we get more socialism.
A serious examination of libertarian principles reveals a doctrine that is essentially the same in its practical results as is liberalism - total moral chaos.
Libertarians have no problem with abortion, or same-sex marriage, or prostitution, or drug use, or any other of the societal failings that corrupt a culture - and send it into swift decline because of an institutionalized indifference to moral rot.
For all practical purposes, the libertarian viewpoint is no different than the utopian imaginings of liberals, that a nation can self govern without moral restraints.
The best quote I may ever use is that from Sir Edmund Burke, attributed to his Letter to a Member of the National Assembly, in 1791. See: The Works of the Right Honorable Edmund Burke, vol. 4, pp. 51–52 (1899):
“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites,—in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity,—in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption,—in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”
I don't care for the Libertarian Party, primarily because of its views on immigration and trade.
However, the notion that they're "spoilers" who help Democrats is wrong on two counts. First, supporters of the Libertarian Party are just as likely to otherwise vote for Democrats (based on social issues) as Republicans (based on fiscal issues).
More importantly, the idea of a candidate being a "spoiler" and "stealing votes" is nonsense. No party owns anybody's vote. They need to earn them. If people are voting third party, it isn't because that third party is stealing anything. It's because the leading parties are running such pi$$-poor candidates that people are casting protest votes.
Case in point: the GOP establishment loves to blame Perot and his Reform Party for Bush's 1992 loss. Perhaps if Bush weren't such a lousy candidate those people wouldn't have been voting for Perot to begin with.
The problem with libertarianism is that those who believe in its principles think man a perfect moral creature, who is capable of perfect rational thought, and will always choose the correct moral path.
IOW, the Libertarian does not recognize the consequence of Original Sin - that Man is a fallen creature.
The Libertarian philosophy may be distilled to is: “Do as ye please, for ye are gods.” Libertarianism is nothing more than a rehashing of the lies told to Eve in the Garden of Eden. It is satanic Utopian bullsh*t, in plain English.
I agree. A nearly libertarian society is workable in a culturally homogeneous society composed of mostly competent and responsible people - the best example of such a society being the late 18th and early 19th Century United States. Libertarian ideals are a disaster elsewhere, which is why all of these crusades for "Democracy" around the world are misguided and destined for failure. Some societies aren't ready for any form of liberty and are better off under authoritarian governments who can keep the peace.
Why do you address your post to me?
“First, supporters of the Libertarian Party are just as likely to otherwise vote for Democrats (based on social issues) as Republicans (based on fiscal issues).”
Problem right there.
The cost of democrat social issues eventually bankrupts the national treasury, without exception. This is why the phrase “I am socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.” is as philosophically disingenuous as it is intellectually moronic.
A Liberaltarian would vote for Carl Marx if you promised them a big sack of dope to smoke with their queer boyfriend.
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