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To: Innovative

Agreed. Let’s assume the drafters of the 14th Amendment were not morons. They had a choice between:

1. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,”

and

2. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

They chose and ratified the first version. The only logical interpretation is that the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was intended to have a restrictive meaning. The children of parents with foreign citizenship and no legal residency are constrained by our laws but are subject to the jurisdiction of their parents’ home government, not that of the United States. President Trump is correct.


3 posted on 10/31/2018 3:03:18 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Pollster1

>>They chose and ratified the first version. The only logical interpretation is that the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” was intended to have a restrictive meaning. <<

I hadn’t considered that before, and it makes sense. Thanks.


9 posted on 10/31/2018 4:05:54 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left....completely!)
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To: Pollster1

So this is the first time I’ve come across “legal residency”, and I’m interested.

All four of my grandparents were citizens based on their birth in the USA (in 1893-1896). No one ever questioned their citizenship based on the fact that their parents were aliens.

For that matter, no one ever questioned the US citizenship of millions of other similarly situated children born to German, Irish, Greek, Italian, Jewish and other sorts of parents between 1860 and 1920.

So there must be something DIFFERENT about THOSE “anchor babies” and teh ones we are discussing here.


14 posted on 10/31/2018 4:52:05 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain)
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To: Pollster1; All
Exactly

Judge Nap was on TV saying that Trump can't stop giving citizenship to anchor babies

(Not in those exact words but that is the gist of his statement)

I saw it when also on twitter and sent him the truth of the 14th amendment

He should know better; maybe he has gone over to the dark side.

I was very disappointed but have seen others question his misguided remarks

Just because he was a judge he thinks everything he says needs to be seen as gospel

Sorry judge, NOT!

Here's my tweet back to Judge-should-take-a-Nap:

Congress can't but the constitution can
I'm surprised at you @Judgenap
Trump is right, the Constitution is right
The 14th amendment, read it closely
Born to foreigners are subject to the authority of their country, not to the USA— Slip Stream News (@GaryZPon) November 1, 2018

Should have said "jurisdiction of"

Oh well message should be understood

38 posted on 10/31/2018 10:14:00 PM PDT by Syncro (Facts is Facts)
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