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Right Seeks Unprecedented Convention to Amend Constitution
Associated Press ^ | November 3rd 2018 | MATT SEDENSKY

Posted on 11/03/2018 3:05:27 PM PDT by Jacquerie

NEW YORK (AP) — Whatever success Republicans have amassed in taking control of all three branches of U.S. government, and whatever fate awaits them as midterm elections near, some on the right are working to cement change by amending the Constitution. And to the mounting alarm of others on all parts of the spectrum, they want to bypass the usual process.

They’re pushing for an unprecedented Constitutional convention of the states. While opponents are afraid of what such a convention would do, supporters say it is the only way to deal with the federal government’s overreach and ineptitude.

“They literally see this as the survival of the nation,” said Karla Jones, director of the federalism task force at the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council, which represents state lawmakers and offers guidance and model legislation for states to call a convention under the Constitution’s Article V.

Among the most frequently cited changes being sought: amendments enforcing a balanced federal budget, establishing term limits for members of Congress, and repealing the 17th Amendment, which put the power of electing the Senate in the hands of the public instead of state legislatures.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 17thamendment; articlev; caselaw; conventionofstates; cos; gramsci; originalintent; repealthe17th
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To: Nifster

Are you familiar with Publius Huldah?


101 posted on 11/04/2018 10:03:26 AM PST by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

Not really.


102 posted on 11/04/2018 11:26:41 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Jacquerie

You will never convince me so stop trying.

“Suspect anyone who approaches that jewel.”

Patrick Henry


103 posted on 11/04/2018 4:59:22 PM PST by firebrand
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To: firebrand

Do you, like Patrick Henry, oppose the Constitution?


104 posted on 11/04/2018 5:32:41 PM PST by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

Of course not. That was his quote about liberty.


105 posted on 11/04/2018 11:27:17 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Artemis Webb

maybe because we have bothered to educate ourselves on the actual mechanics of an article V convention? just a guess, here.


106 posted on 11/22/2018 3:03:49 PM PST by mostly_lies
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To: Artemis Webb

You’re exactly right. Keep in mind the current “delegates” to the convention would be the same RINOs that are obstructing what good Trump was trying to do and doubling down on big government and big spending. A BBA doesn’t mean they will decrease spending, it just means we solidify the right to raise the debt limit until it’s “balanced” on credit.


107 posted on 12/31/2018 10:15:40 AM PST by liberty2020
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To: Jonty30

agreed,

federal accountability to the states should be the path..
states should have balanced budgets, any thing left could be “given” to the federal government for approved projects, and remove the right of the federal gangstamint to tax and raise money at all..
Reign in their scope of power to the original framework of the constitution..A convention of states could be effective, but honestly if something like that passed, looking at what is happening now, there would be blood in the streets..no easy choices, save America for the people that made it great


108 posted on 01/28/2019 3:30:34 AM PST by aces
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To: Jacquerie
A COS can recommend structural changes, like repeal of the 17th Amendment, to keep and expandPDJT's reforms.

But can enact those structural changes only if 34 states ratify them. How likely is that?

109 posted on 01/28/2019 3:39:06 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Artemis Webb

Why is it that so many erstwhile conservatives don’t realize things have been going “the other way” to tyranny for decades?


110 posted on 01/28/2019 7:40:17 AM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: DoodleDawg

My first thought is that only the mind of a slave concedes defeat before fighting.


111 posted on 01/28/2019 7:42:31 AM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: liberty2020

Why would states commission delegates to propose harm to their states?


112 posted on 01/28/2019 7:44:48 AM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie
My first thought is that only the mind of a slave concedes defeat before fighting.

Being willfully blind to the realities of the situation usually doesn't get you far.

113 posted on 01/28/2019 8:04:11 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
On the question of the 17th, what is the state's interest in NOT taking back appointment power in the Senate?

-PJ

114 posted on 01/28/2019 8:13:21 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
On the question of the 17th, what is the state's interest in NOT taking back appointment power in the Senate?

Regardless of all the arguments in favor of repealing the 17th Amendment I think that's a non-starter. Senators have been popularly elected for over 100 years. Who is going to go to the electorate and tell them they won't be doing that anymore?

115 posted on 01/28/2019 8:20:15 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Who is going to go to the electorate and tell them they won't be doing that anymore?

That would be the state legislatures, the governor, individual assemblymen, etc.

It would require a lot of change management, for sure. There would need to be a lot of political advertising on the matter.

A credible legislative ad might be around the message that the legislatures work day in and day out on the nitty gritty details of local bills affecting the voter, and it would be in the best interests of the voter to let the legislatures select the most knowledgeable and influential people to represent the interests of those bills in Congress.

The ad would say that the states need to align what Congress does with what the states do. Currently, the states are forced to accommodate what Congress does.

The opposition ad would be that the voter knows best, that this is an assault on democracy, yada yada yada.

-PJ

116 posted on 01/28/2019 9:09:07 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Jacquerie

It took you three months to respond?


117 posted on 01/28/2019 9:31:26 AM PST by Artemis Webb
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To: Jacquerie

A COS can also decide to do ANYTHING else it wants - all with zero oversight or limits by ANY agency, legislative edict, or even courts - up to an including throwing out the US Constitution and substituting a brand new document in its place (much like happened with the First such calling of a Convention that transitioned the US from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution.

It is quite literally impossible to put any sort of restraint or limits to a COS -

As much as I would absolutely LOVE having term limits for Congress (and a few other protections) enshrined in the Constitution - the danger is a very real problem that many seem to either be ignorant of - or just don’t care.

Under a COS - you can bet the farm that the 2nd Amendment will be one of the first things assaulted (assuming the COS delegates - led by the vast number of delegates of the most liberal states don’t just trash the whole Constitution to begin with).


118 posted on 01/30/2019 11:08:19 AM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Its not an unstructured fre for all, they would only vote on the items outlined as to why the convention was being called.

In what fantasy world? There is ZERO Constitutional, Legal, legislative, executive, or other power with ANY authority to control ANYTHING about a COS. Once convened, the COS delegates are legally bound to NOTHING. And with the Liberal states having the lion's share of the delegates -

A convention could write its own rules. The Constitution provides no guidance whatsoever on the ground rules for a convention. This leaves wide open to political considerations and pressures such fundamental questions as how the delegates would be chosen, how many delegates each state would have, and whether a supermajority vote would be required to approve amendments. To illustrate the importance of these issues, consider that if every state had one vote in the convention and the convention could approve amendments with a simple majority vote, the 26 least populous states — which contain less than 18 percent of the nation’s people — could approve an amendment for ratification.

A convention could set its own agenda, possibly influenced by powerful interest groups. The only constitutional convention in U.S. history, in 1787, went far beyond its mandate. Charged with amending the Articles of Confederation to promote trade among the states, the convention instead wrote an entirely new governing document. A convention held today could set its own agenda, too. There is no guarantee that a convention could be limited to a particular set of issues, such as those related to balancing the federal budget. As a result, powerful, well-funded interest groups would surely seek to influence the process and press for changes to the agenda, seeing a constitutional convention as an opportunity to enact major policy changes. As former Chief Justice Burger wrote, a “Constitutional Convention today would be a free-for-all for special interest groups.” Further, the broad language contained in many of the resolutions that states have passed recently might increase the likelihood of a convention enacting changes that are far more sweeping than many legislators supporting these resolutions envision.

A convention could choose a new ratification process. The 1787 convention ignored the ratification process under which it was established and created a new process, lowering the number of states needed to approve the new Constitution and removing Congress from the approval process. The states then ignored the pre-existing ratification procedures and adopted the Constitution under the new ratification procedures that the convention proposed. Given these facts, it would be unwise to assume that ratification of the convention’s pro­posals would necessarily require the approval of 38 states, as the Constitution currently specifies. For example, a convention might remove the states from the approval process entirely and pro­pose a national referendum instead. Or it could follow the example of the 1787 convention and lower the required fraction of the states needed to approve its proposals from three-quarters to two-thirds.

No other body, including the courts, has clear authority over a convention.

The Constitution provides for no authority above that of a constitutional convention, so it is not clear that the courts — or any other institution — could intervene if a convention did not limit itself to the language of the state resolutions calling for a convention. Article V contains no restrictions on the scope of constitutional amendments (other than those denying states equal representation in the Senate), and the courts generally leave such “political questions” to the elected branches. Moreover, delegates to the 1787 convention ignored their state legislatures’ instructions. Thus, the courts likely would not intervene in a dispute between a state and a delegate and, if they did, they likely would not back state efforts to constrain delegates given that delegates to the 1787 convention ignored their state legislatures’ instructions.

119 posted on 01/30/2019 11:14:39 AM PST by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: TheBattman

Delegates to a COS are limited by their commissions.


120 posted on 01/30/2019 12:09:29 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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