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The US Shot Down a Fake Nuclear Missile in Space with Another Missile
Space.com ^ | Nov 2, 2018 | Rafi Letzter, Live Science Staff Writer

Posted on 11/05/2018 12:17:49 PM PST by ETL

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To: pepsi_junkie

Yes, I’m quite sure.

The old (obsolete?) Minuteman III missile had a re-entry speed of around 17,000 mph (almost 8 km/s)...

Fast missiles aren’t new.

“steering” ANYTHING moving at that speed isn’t done.

“maneuvering” (as in evading shoot-down) which would be reactive, isn’t even thinkable in that context.

You’re speaking of (and linking to ) a truly SLOW missile system. That’s the only kind where evasive maneuvering would be possible, and also where it would be least effective.


21 posted on 11/05/2018 1:04:18 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Hypersonic missiles are slow? Okay, if you say so.


22 posted on 11/05/2018 1:06:09 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: pepsi_junkie

Please disregard all of the factual information you’ve been presented, and argue with me over the definition of a term inappropriately used in a news article, okay?


23 posted on 11/05/2018 1:09:20 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Hugh the Scot

http://russianforces.org/blog/2014/08/marv_is_back.shtml


24 posted on 11/05/2018 1:16:45 PM PST by Justa
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To: Obadiah

Hypersonic cruise missiles aren’t just on the table but they’re a deployed reality.

That said, hypersonics still have a longer travel time than ballistic missiles and they can be more easily tracked by satellites than subsonics, assuming the satellite is looking in the right direction. Hypersonics can also be taken out by conventional or advanced AA systems.


25 posted on 11/05/2018 1:17:45 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Did they stick to the usual of hitting the missile in the descent stage or change tactics and hit the missile while it was ascending?


26 posted on 11/05/2018 1:18:34 PM PST by sarge83
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To: Justa

The money quote:

“Someone in the GRTs marketing department didn’t quite do their homework.”


27 posted on 11/05/2018 1:21:17 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Fusing time is an issue for that - look at what happened with the Patriots in the Gulf War. The Patriots would detonate and throw their frag load at the Scuds - or so it seemed. Turns out they would detonate too late and the cloud of frag would actually pass harmlessly behind the Scud warhead. Skin to skin kills are actually more reliable when the target can’t maneuver.


28 posted on 11/05/2018 1:22:25 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Obadiah

Well if the Congress had funded those SDI programs, the US would be ahead of the curvein all aspects.


29 posted on 11/05/2018 1:23:53 PM PST by shotgun
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To: sarge83

Descent stage is the more realistic scenario for these missiles. Assuming a nuke tipped ballistic missile, most of those have launch sites far enough inland that a seaborne launcher or a launcher close to a Western target doesn’t have the range to hit the missile on the way up (assuming it’s even able to see the launch come over the horizon), so it’s only going to be able to attack the missile in midcourse or descent mode.

It’s even more critical for our battlegroups because the Chinese now have a ballistic carrier killer (a very large ballistic carrier killer) and Aegis is considerably weaker against a vertical ballistic threat.


30 posted on 11/05/2018 1:27:05 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Timing is even more critical with a single missile. Multiple barrels with stacked caseless cartridges that are shot out over a few milliseconds. That should cover a couple hundred yards.


31 posted on 11/05/2018 1:52:29 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Twitter is Trump's laser pointer and the DemocRats are all cats.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In theory yes, but there’s (at least) two problems with that: (1) the timing of said explosion; and (2) the extra payload weight of that much steel (and the explosives). That extra baggage would hamper the interceptor’s necessary closing speed.


32 posted on 11/05/2018 1:59:45 PM PST by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: shotgun

I wonder what Mr Pike of the Federation of American Scientists is saying now?

His response to the first tests in 1991, after the NYT quoted many others that a non-explosive rocket could not ballisticaly hit another in space...:^)

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/30/us/in-test-star-wars-picks-off-a-warhead-in-space.html


33 posted on 11/05/2018 2:06:03 PM PST by az_gila
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To: Hugh the Scot
There are no “maneuverable” re-entry warheads.

Not true.

34 posted on 11/05/2018 2:08:20 PM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Steely Tom

Okay.

Convincing argument, BTW...


35 posted on 11/05/2018 2:21:34 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Hugh the Scot

It’s not an argument.


36 posted on 11/05/2018 2:36:07 PM PST by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Steely Tom

I noticed.


37 posted on 11/05/2018 2:38:02 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Hugh the Scot

Newtonian physics gets in the way of maneuverability in re-entry vehicles. The “typical” ICBM or SLBM travels between 18 and 30 times the speed of sound. That’s travelling quite a few meters in a millisecond. The inputs required to move a warhead from a purely ballistic path at those speeds is tremendous... The hardware required would be far heavier than the warhead itself. The computational speeds that would make even minor course corrections would, as every other system, suffer from some instruction and communication latency. Even latencies in the sub-nanosecond range would result in what we in the missile business used to refer to as a “miss”.

Cheaper and more effective to field more warheads.

As to “cruise” type missiles, going exoatmospheric is largely unnecessary and sacrifices range to no great gain.

Much slower, even in their hypersonic configuration, they may be amenable to maneuvering, but this renders their flight time longer, again putting the warhead at greater risk.

The idea of a maneuverable re-entry vehicle is solid handwavium.


38 posted on 11/05/2018 3:33:03 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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To: Hugh the Scot
"Newtonian physics gets in the way of maneuverability in re-entry vehicles. The “typical” ICBM or SLBM travels between 18 and 30 times the speed of sound. That’s travelling quite a few meters in a millisecond...."

Newtonian physics also gets in the way of shooting a bullet out of the sky with another bullet.

Directed energy über alles.

39 posted on 11/05/2018 4:10:04 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Paal Gulli

If we’re going to shoot them down, I suggest we start earlier in the flight path, and do so with directed energy weapons.

Yeah, I know... Weaponizing space...

If we don’t, they will.


40 posted on 11/05/2018 4:21:43 PM PST by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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