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Six Off-Duty Police Officers Were Inside Borderline Bar When Shooting Started
breitbart.com ^ | 11/8/2018 | Joel Pollak

Posted on 11/08/2018 11:12:11 AM PST by rktman

THOUSAND OAKS, California — Six off-duty police officers were inside the Borderline Bar & Grill on Wednesday night when a gunman opened fire on those present.

Twelve people were killed as the gunman, who has been identified as David Ian Long, attacked the bar using a smoke device and a .45-caliber handgun. Many of those present were young people, on hand for “college night.”

Captain Garo Kuredjian, Media Relations Officer for the Ventura County Police Department, told Breitbart News on the scene that there had been three officers from the Oxnard Police Department and three from the Los Angeles Police Department inside the Borderline, all off duty.

They were likely unarmed, he said, though he could not yet confirm that information, nor could he yet say if and how they had assisted victims or confronted the gunman.

“Typically, if you go to a bar, if you’re going to be drinking,” you would leave your gun at home, Kuredjian said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; borderlinebar; california; califshooting; davidianlong; deadperps; lawenforcement; leo; nra; offdutypolice; secondamendment; shooting; thousandoaks
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To: Tammy8
Most bars do not allow anyone to carry firearms on the premises, even LEO. Some states have a law against carrying a firearm in a bar as well. So that makes bars a gun free zone like schools, otherwise known as targets.

A few years back, when I lived in the once-Golden State, my CCW had a printed provision (paraphrasing but close) "Not valid when consuming alcohol, or remaining in places that primarily serve alcohol."

Might have been a County restriction, I don't know if it was statewide.

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81 posted on 11/08/2018 1:06:26 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in-never, never,never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. Winston Churchill)
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To: caww
I understand these off duty officers actually stood in front of kids or protected them as parents of kids are reporting now.

Kids? In a bar?

82 posted on 11/08/2018 1:08:33 PM PST by Chuckster (Battlestar Galactica is not fiction.)
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To: Road Warrior ‘04

That’s right. If you don’t pull it out and start waving it around, no one’s gonna know.


83 posted on 11/08/2018 1:11:22 PM PST by Chuckster (Battlestar Galactica is not fiction)
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To: SkyDancer

Same here and I retired after 30 years of service as an LEO.


84 posted on 11/08/2018 1:13:14 PM PST by Gator113 ( ~~Trump 2020~~ There needs to be a quieting of the screaming lambs.)
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To: Road Warrior ‘04

You’re spot on.


85 posted on 11/08/2018 1:13:53 PM PST by Gator113 ( ~~Trump 2020~~ There needs to be a quieting of the screaming lambs.)
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To: rktman

Six LEO’s and not one weapon. WTH is in California’s water?


86 posted on 11/08/2018 1:15:41 PM PST by gathersnomoss (Grace and Dignity Will Win The Day)
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To: rktman

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>> “They were likely unarmed...” <<

This is trully sad!

They should all be terminated.


87 posted on 11/08/2018 1:15:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rktman

Sad commentary on the state of affairs today..

I offer my condolences to those senselessly murdered in this and far too many incidents.

But.. We all know ‘Gun Free Zone’ is the way to go, Right?

What can one expect when policies that make no sense exist and are in effect?

What indeed.

6 off duty officers of the law present? Wow.

But..

Prohibited from carrying a weapon other than their martial arts training which is useless in almost every firearms related mass incident.

Prohibited by laws and local politicians and officials and agencies all the way to the top of the heap on Capitol Hill, who ironically have their own CCWs or bodyguards armed and deadly, from providing for the public safety of all.


88 posted on 11/08/2018 1:21:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: TallahasseeConservative

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Nonsense!

Under CA law, they are actually required to be armed at all times in public.
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89 posted on 11/08/2018 1:22:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: SkyDancer

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>> “I thought all cops off duty still carried.” <<

They do!

There is an aroma of bovine offal hanging in the air here presently.


90 posted on 11/08/2018 1:25:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

“They do!”


Not if they are going to be drinking.

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91 posted on 11/08/2018 1:28:38 PM PST by Mears
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To: rktman

Ya know, it’s going to be real interesting to find what the back story is on the 6 off duty witnesses.


92 posted on 11/08/2018 1:30:00 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Mears

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Keep your blinders on, the real world will scare you.


93 posted on 11/08/2018 1:36:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NormsRevenge

Democrat politicians lives are more important than ours.

That’s why they’ve banned shall issue ccw in California.

If the bien-peasants die, its for the public good. Innocent kids died so liberals get to grandstand about the horrors of guns.


94 posted on 11/08/2018 1:43:24 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Enterprise

I apologize that my compare and contrast does not exactly conform to your comment. My bad.


95 posted on 11/08/2018 1:47:59 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: goldstategop

It’s not just the politicians who are considered more important and deserve safety and protection more than regular citizen tax payers. It’s also the well connected wealthy and all celebrities as well. They’re considered much more important than you. They give them and their families full rights and full protection under the 2nd.

The government in CA tells regular citizen tax payers that if they’re threatened, to run, hide and crawl into a deep hole and hold your breath. And if that isn’t successful, too damn bad!


96 posted on 11/08/2018 1:59:51 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: editor-surveyor

That’s California. In NY, there is no such requirement and that’s where I worked. In my opinion, that’s a terrible law. I sure wouldn’t want to be carrying if I know that I’m going to be drinking or at Disneyland etc.


97 posted on 11/08/2018 2:01:46 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: TallahasseeConservative

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Terrorists do frequent Disneyland!
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98 posted on 11/08/2018 2:05:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Of course they do. But it’s not enjoyable carrying a weapon when one is riding a rollercoaster. Now you can take it and lock it in a locker every time you ride.


99 posted on 11/08/2018 2:09:57 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative (Isaiah 40:31)
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To: ican'tbelieveit
and discharge and shoot someone in the leg


Off duty and plainclothes = not a criminal target; round not chambered.

Problem solved!

100 posted on 11/08/2018 2:11:49 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie ("The MSM is the enemy of the American people"...Democrat Pat Caddell)
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