Posted on 11/10/2018 7:14:38 PM PST by NoLibZone
“Plenty o peeps now live in and around forests. Some serious balance is needed to attend to the interactions between both.”
The solution is an easy one. Stop federal bailout funding for those who choose to build in high risk locations. Same applies for those who build along the coast and are at risk from hurricane, flooding as example along the Mississippi River who get a new home every few years, those who build along fault lines that are high risk to earthquakes. Not recommending any new laws as I believe in the right to be stupid. I just don’t want to have to pay for other people’s stupidity.....
Why we don’t is a mystery.
We are no longer a practical people, we are political. Might as well be living in the Soviet Union.
Not really a useful list without the context of population:
https://www.california-demographics.com/counties_by_population
LA county has over 10 million, and the eight smallest counties are all under 20,000.
Fires can jump some fairly large distances under the right conditions. I've seen this on flyin fishing trips in Canada. A mile wide clear cut fire line might not make any difference if high winds are present.
Here are the results of the policy: https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3798 This report clearly softpedals the problem. They recommend more prescribed fire without mentioning the fact that the lack of prescribed fire or natural fires left to burn during safe, low mixing weather, are the direct cause of the deaths and destruction. Those CARB rules apply to every fire whether natural or prescribed, but obviously prescribing fire during safe fire weather in areas that need it is the solution.
In the report they point out that 250,000 acres were burned or allowed to burn by the USFS. Meanwhile the California burn program only involved 17,500 acres. The Camp Fire started in a national forest but quickly spread to state and private lands outside the forest.
Based on historic fire records (mainly charcoal layers) there were about 4,000,000 acres burned annually in California before 1800. In northern California the indians did a lot of burning, but there was lots of natural fire as well. Those amounts of area will need to be managed, not necessarily by burning, but burning is the cheapest way to manage fire risk.
Intesting reading. These big fires do everything they are trying to prevent.
Archaeologist says fire, not corn, key to prehistoric survival in arid Southwest.
Conventional wisdom holds that prehistoric villagers planted corn, and lots of it, to survive the dry and hostile conditions of the American Southwest.
But University of Cincinnati archaeology professor Alan Sullivan is challenging that long-standing idea, arguing instead that people routinely burned the understory of forests to grow wild crops 1,000 years ago.
Like a detective, Sullivan has pieced together clues firsthand and from scientific analysis to make a persuasive argument that people used fire to promote the growth of edible leaves, seeds and nuts of plants such as amaranth and chenopodium, wild relatives of quinoa. These plants are called “ruderals,” which are the first to grow in a forest disturbed by fire or clear-cutting.
So if prehistoric people were not growing corn, what were they eating? Sullivan found clues around his excavation sites that people set fires big enough to burn away the understory of grasses and weeds but small enough not to harm the pinyon and juniper trees, important sources of calorie-rich nuts and berries.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171127152055.htm
“Not really a useful list without the context of population:”
To some extent, no question, but I will venture that the “kind of people” who live there play a role. It also serves to show us the underlying problem, huge population centers run by the RATs with a large percentage of low-class/illegal immigrant populations. You will note that San Bernardino County is also on the list, but my bet is the crime is in that portion of it that is immediately adjacent to LA County. Also how does Imperial County come out on the low end? It’s on the Mexican border!
My take on it is if we don’t find a way to blunt the negative effects of large population centers on our country’s culture, we will eventually wither and die as a country and become just like the rest of the world. Glad I have lived when I did, because my growing up in California in the 50’s and 60’s I consider a rare opportunity in this world! Even LA was a nice place back then!
Oh, I agree with you on the threat — I’d send every last illegal home. All 30 million-plus of them.
(Just think how much less crowded our roads! How much easier to find a parking space! How much quicker to get a doctor’s appointment!)
I worked fires for a private contractor, water tanker truck driver, for five years. My experience shows me, at least in Montana, that some fires are allowed to grow simply because there is money to be made. Put them out too early and nobody gets paid.
The preventative measure would have been permitting logging and clearing of underbrush for the past 20 years.
http://www.pushback.com/Wattenburg/articles/NowTheyHaveBurnedLosAlamos.html
For me this is the definitive writing on managing forest fires. Dr. Wattenberg had let night radio show from the bay area. He worked at Lawrence Livermore Lans and was called the smartest man you can talk to for free (on the radio).
The state of Cal ignored him on gasoline additives and clearing underbrush from forests, He died 3 months ago, but his work is on the internet.
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