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Why Trump is Right on California Wildfires
Frontpagemagazine ^ | November 12, 2018 | Matthew Vadum

Posted on 11/12/2018 5:39:44 AM PST by SJackson

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To: b4me

About a decade ago, I went home to visit my family. About a mile from my childhood home and across the street from the middle school I attended was a large environmental protest in progress. The “environmentalists” were all carrying signs and throwing fits about saving “old growth” forests. I got a big laugh out of their notion of “old growth”

Forty years earlier, the old growth forest was an old fallow field that hadn’t been touched in years because the owner was to old to manage it. Every old growth tree that they so desperately wanted to save was probably less than 30 years old.

If that field was old growth I must have been ancient in comparison.

I told a few of the protesters and they said I was “stupid”!

(LOL)


21 posted on 11/12/2018 6:13:16 AM PST by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowledge! ( e_uid == 0 ) != ( e_uid = 0 ). I Read kernel code.)
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To: SJackson

Fires in California are common.
From TWO YEARS BEFORE THE MAST By Richard Henry Dana published in 1840.

“The only thing which diminishes its beauty is, that the hills have no large trees upon them, they having been all burnt by a great fire which swept them off about a dozen years before, and they had not yet grown up again.

The fire was described to me by an inhabitant, as having been a very terrible and magnificent sight. The air of the whole valley was so heated that the people were obliged to leave the town and take up their quarters for several days upon the beach.”


22 posted on 11/12/2018 6:21:43 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SJackson
I wonder if any spotted owl die in these fires? What about the deer, elk, snakes, rodents, squirrels and mass other birds?

I wish a reporter would report on not only humans not being about to escape the inferno, but what about the spotted owl, the very reason for not cutting anymore trees in fed or state land? Keeping man out of the federal and states forests has been such a living success for man and beast!

23 posted on 11/12/2018 6:27:54 AM PST by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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To: SJackson
California was once dry and desert like. There were horrendous forest fires back when local Indians lived there. The Indians just accepted large fires ( caused by whatever ) but learned to clear and burn slash around their villages or not to live in vulnerable spots.

Nature will continue to do it's thing and as man overpopulates, lessons will be learned.

24 posted on 11/12/2018 6:28:43 AM PST by jetson
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To: SJackson
Missing from this article is that Trump's been tweeting about this for over a year and has taken steps to reduce federal requirements (and reopen some logging) over the strenuous objections of California.

With 29 dead and counting from the Paradise fire that has taken no less than 6,500 homes (and quite likely double that number) and has 50,000+ evacuated - well, guess they can find solace in Governor Jerry ‘Moonbeam’ Brown's assertion that this is the new abnormal due to global warming and probably their fault for not driving electric cars...

Glad he could be bothered to return to the state to sign the disaster declaration - oh, right, probably because the Jenner estate was burned rather than an entire town of 27k+ people in NorCal.

25 posted on 11/12/2018 6:29:42 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: SJackson

Didn’t Clinton/Gore ban clear cut ?


26 posted on 11/12/2018 6:45:46 AM PST by wardamneagle
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To: kingu

In Oregon they’ve finally opened up the forrests back to the big companies like Weyerhouser and smaller logging companies are starting to bloom again too. More logging and clearing & new roads in. All because of Trump’s easing of regulations. It’s a good thing for the forrests and the loggers/Mills.


27 posted on 11/12/2018 6:51:44 AM PST by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing)
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To: SJackson

And the fool built his house on the sinking sand...


28 posted on 11/12/2018 6:54:44 AM PST by dps.inspect (quite well)
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To: SJackson

Just Saw an article on fox news.com makes me wonder were these fires a terrorist attack?


29 posted on 11/12/2018 7:16:04 AM PST by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: allendale

So true.

The envirowackos are killing us.


30 posted on 11/12/2018 8:11:35 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Retvet
Just Saw an article on fox news.com makes me wonder were these fires a terrorist attack?

Very well could be. There was a great deal of discussion of that a few years ago. Based on discussions in the Mideast regarding fires. All year Hamas has been launching kites, balloons, even vultures with small incendiaries. The objective, such fires. Destroying parkland and crops. And frequently the source of these fires turn out to be human. Campfire out of control, things like that. Arson, that too, but even a semi competent terrorist could handle this with a strong expectation of escape. A lone wolf wouldn't worry much about being caught either.

31 posted on 11/12/2018 4:50:59 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: wastoute
this method of managing Forrest’s was abonded 20-30 years ago in favor of “letting Gaia heal the earth”. Now they are paying the price.

Have to agree with them, nature is taking care of it. But to the detriment of humans. Managing forests, even if humans are doing it, isn't necessarily a bad thing.

32 posted on 11/12/2018 4:52:39 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: crz
The counties have to take over the management of these forests.

Might help, I think it's mostly state where this is happening, don't know what the state would let them do. And in the west, so much is Federal, including CA. Nice if any of them worked on forestry management, not for the protection of imaginary owls, but that would require a change in the mindset of the locals.

Future homeowners would be better off if this wasn't such a charged political issue.

33 posted on 11/12/2018 4:56:13 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: ridesthemiles
I have a cottontail bunny living under my hay stack that is smarter than Katy Perry.

Since the bunny isn't under a haystack in CA, I'll agree. If in CA, if the bunny chose a haystack in the forest with no regard to fires, or in the hills with no regard to mudslides, then it's a tie. Which is pretty good for a bunny, as smart as a human.

34 posted on 11/12/2018 4:58:39 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: Mariner
The USFS never managed the forests. It was the timber companies...

Yes, but isn't a significant part of that leases from the BLM/USFS. Better to let private companies manage the resources.

35 posted on 11/12/2018 5:07:20 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: lurked_for_a_decade
I got a big laugh out of their notion of “old growth”... Forty years earlier, the old growth forest was an old fallow field that hadn’t been touched in years because the owner was to old to manage it.

I've a few acquaintances who have "restored" the "prairie". I ask whether to after the first clear cutting or second. And where are the bison?

36 posted on 11/12/2018 5:12:27 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: thirst4truth
I wish a reporter would report on not only humans not being about to escape the inferno, but what about the spotted owl, the very reason for not cutting anymore trees in fed or state land?

More accurately the call of the spotted owl. I believe the biologist later admitted he never saw one, rather heard it. After his retirement of course. As to the fate of the spotted owl, I'm sorry big owls eat little owls. Don't know what the big owls taste like, but maybe owl season is a solution. Big owls.

37 posted on 11/12/2018 5:16:38 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
Outdoors/Rural/wildlife/hunting/hiking/backpacking/National Parks/animals list please FR mail me to be on or off . And ping me is you see articles of interest.

Forgot to ping the thread which deals with forests and wildlife.

38 posted on 11/12/2018 5:18:05 PM PST by SJackson (The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Perfect!


39 posted on 11/12/2018 5:19:26 PM PST by Daffynition (Rudy: What are you up to today? :))
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To: SJackson
It's the 1%ers fault


40 posted on 11/12/2018 5:23:48 PM PST by Daffynition (Rudy: What are you up to today? :))
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