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Are there any credible historians that would argue with him?
1 posted on 11/13/2018 10:53:06 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Well, since the Third Reich controlled most of France, including the capital, I count that as a defeat. The fiction of the Free Zone aka Vichy France existed from 22 June 1940 - 11 November 1942.

In November the Germans and Italy decided they needed Vichy France, the breadbasket of the nation and of course naval access to the French Med ports.

The Vichy Free French, neutral till that point decided to scuttle their fleet in Toulon rather than escape to the Allies.

35 posted on 11/13/2018 11:11:02 AM PST by Covenantor (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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Did Trump really say that, or is the media saying this?


38 posted on 11/13/2018 11:13:41 AM PST by nikos1121 (With Trump, we have our own Age of Pericles)
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"President Donald Trump escalated his verbal assaults against France on Tuesday, suggesting that America’s stalwart European ally would have been vanquished in both world wars if not for the military firepower provided by the United States."

In WWII, France was defeated. They were liberated starting in June 1944 at some cost to American, British, and Canadian lives.
The author is either ignorant of this, is writing hoping her readers are ignorant, or both.

39 posted on 11/13/2018 11:13:52 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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In the case of WWII France was defeated!!


40 posted on 11/13/2018 11:14:59 AM PST by ontap
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The French know it to be true. The result is that, as is often the case when one does a great favor for someone, we have ended up with a large bill and an ingrate.


41 posted on 11/13/2018 11:16:20 AM PST by Rockingham
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Remember that old joke, "Q. How many Frenchman does it take to defend Paris? A. No one knows ... it's never been done."

Fercryingoutloud ... France has never defended itself. How did Normandy gets its name? Charles III ceded the area to the Vikings over a thousand years ago to appease the Vikings (Northmen) who were plundering Paris regularly. My dad, who fought in France in WWII, had absolutely no respect for the French after the war. Oh, the stories he told.

44 posted on 11/13/2018 11:17:45 AM PST by RightField
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That is not a suggestion, it is a fact..However, the US didn’t save Europe. God did!


47 posted on 11/13/2018 11:20:17 AM PST by richardtavor
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I’ve lived a while but this is the first time I’ve encountered the surname, Superville.


48 posted on 11/13/2018 11:20:26 AM PST by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal)
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So in the space of one week Macron announces plans to honor Marshal Petain, the French leader who collaborated with Hitler and deported French Jews to Nazi concentration camps, declares that nationalism is unpatriotic and urges the creation of a European Army in support of a European Empire. Yet the AP goes after Trump? Typical.


50 posted on 11/13/2018 11:23:25 AM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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Uh, they were.


51 posted on 11/13/2018 11:23:41 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH? #My2nd)
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Let's stop playing around about what the President said from a third party and read it directly instead.


52 posted on 11/13/2018 11:24:02 AM PST by Dahoser
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My understanding of history is they already WERE defeated and the US, UK, and some non-capitulators helped to LIBERATE France.


56 posted on 11/13/2018 11:29:24 AM PST by reed13k
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Suggests? The French were beaten in six weeks of the summer of 1940. Anyone who says France would not be speaking German without the blood of American troops is a liar an idiot or both.


59 posted on 11/13/2018 11:31:49 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberal is lies.)
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The Nazi flag would be flying all over Europe if it weren’t for Churchill and America entering the war. The Nazi’s even offered to leave England alone, as long as they could have mainland Europe to themselves. Churchill told them to piss off, but if Chamberlain and Lord Halifax had their way the Nazi’s would still be in power and likely loaded to the hilt with Nuclear weapons given to them by the likes of the Rosenberg’s and the Alger Hiss’s of this world.

Those who fail to remember history are bound to repeat it.


60 posted on 11/13/2018 11:32:46 AM PST by jerod (Nazi's were essentially Socialist in Hugo Boss uniforms... Get over it!)
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Are there any credible historians that would argue with him?

None that I'm aware of.

62 posted on 11/13/2018 11:35:22 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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“Would’ve been defeated?”

The Wehrmacht marched in and occupied France without a fight. That’s not a defeat, that’s an uncontested occupation.

France sucks, and always will.


67 posted on 11/13/2018 11:40:45 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP: The party of jobs. Democrats: The party of mobs.)
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Well, maybe.

By the time the US entered, all the combatants were worn down to the nub. Russia had actually quit. Germany was on the verge of being unable to continue as was Fance


70 posted on 11/13/2018 11:43:30 AM PST by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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Suggests ? Really?

Every time there has been a sauerkraut driven fart that's made its way across the French border in the last 100 years the French have bent over and grabbed their Frog Legs in submission, if not collaboration.

71 posted on 11/13/2018 11:47:48 AM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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Suggests? Hell, we won France from the Krauts fair and square, twice in one century, then gave it back to the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!


72 posted on 11/13/2018 11:52:23 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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“France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes.” —Mark Twain

“I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me.” —General George S. Patton

“Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion.” —Norman Schwartzkopf

“We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it.” —Marge Simpson

“As far as I’m concerned, war always means failure.” —Jacques Chirac, President of France

“As far as France is concerned, you’re right.” —Rush Limbaugh

“The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee.” —Regis Philbin

“The French are a smallish, monkey-looking bunch and not dressed any better, on average, than the citizens of Baltimore. True, you can sit outside in Paris and drink little cups of coffee, but why this is more stylish than sitting inside and drinking large glasses of whiskey I don’t know.” —P.J O’Rourke (1989)

“You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn’t have the face for it.” —John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona

“They’ve taken their own precautions against Al Qaeda. To prepare for an attack, each Frenchman is urged to keep duct tape, a white flag, and a three-day supply of mistresses in the house.” —Argus Hamilton

“The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq.” —Dennis Miller

“I would call the French scumbags, but that, of course, would be a disservice to bags filled with scum. I say we invade Iraq, then invade Chirac.” —Dennis Miller

“You know why the French don’t want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He IS French, people.” —Conan O’Brien

“I don’t know why people are surprised that France won’t help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn’t help us get the Germans out of France!” —Jay Leno

“The last time the French asked for ‘more proof,’ it came marching into Paris under a German flag.” —David Letterman

How many Frenchmen does it take to change a light bulb?
One. He holds the bulb and all of Europe revolves around him.

An old saying: Raise your right hand if you like the French.... Raise both hands if you are French.


73 posted on 11/13/2018 11:54:44 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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