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No, Jim Acosta and CNN Did Not Win Their Case Today
DB Daily Update ^ | David Blackmon

Posted on 11/16/2018 1:15:01 PM PST by EyesOfTX

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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
The Fifth is misapplied in the ruling. It's ridiculous.
61 posted on 11/16/2018 2:29:30 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

No Federal judge has the jurisdiction to order the President to issue a Press Pass. This is a horrid precedent on top of many politically inspired outrages against PDJT. It is time for a Constitutional showdown.


62 posted on 11/16/2018 2:37:53 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: EyesOfTX

The last line of the rules should read:

“or for any other reason the Wh house determines”.

That seems to be the what you find in modern rules and even laws.


63 posted on 11/16/2018 2:44:30 PM PST by Revel
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To: SoCal Pubbie
That's not the fault of this judge. He's a D.C. District Court judge who is required to follow prior precedent set by the Circuit Court of the D.C. Circuit.

However, by focusing on "due process" rather than invoking the First Amendment, he laid out a roadmap for a workaround. That's why the Administration isn't complaining. All they need to do is publish and post rules, rather than having them informally understood, and the problem is solved. Of course, if the Judge then starts applying a heightened scrutiny to those rules or the process for booting someone, that's a different issue. But that hasn't yet happened.

This case could have been much worse. If the judge had decided to ground his case in the First Amendment, that would have been a whole new level of headaches, and there may not have been a workaround at all.

64 posted on 11/16/2018 2:45:32 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

It’s the fault of all judges, as a group. And lawyers. They love the law as a process and a profession more than justice and interpreting the plain language of the constitution. The mental contortions required are really breathtaking.


65 posted on 11/16/2018 2:52:34 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: EyesOfTX

The ‘due process’ argument is bunk.

Did this judge get his law degree out of a box of Cracker Jack?

If a person inside a courtroom is ‘held in contempt’ by the Judge, does that person get due process?

No. That person gets to spend time in jail.


66 posted on 11/16/2018 2:54:24 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Electric Graffiti
Not at all.

Agree. This effort to justify this ridiculous ruling is nuts. It makes no sense at all.

The President controls the White House. He can exclude anyone for whatever whim suits him. Nobody has a right to come into his home.

I would tell the Federal Judge to go F*** himself, Acosta is not coming back in. Period.

67 posted on 11/16/2018 2:57:49 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Reily

Or —— just don’t call on Acosta. If he decides to push a question over and over, end the briefing. The other journalists would be mad at Acosta.


68 posted on 11/16/2018 3:00:21 PM PST by Exit148 ( (Loose Change Club founder) Put yours aside for the next Freepathon!)
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To: SubMareener
Did you read about the opinion? There is a 1977 Court Precedent that says a reporter has to be given notice and an opportunity to respond before their credentials can be withdrawn. Acosta was give NO NOTICE. That is the grounds on which he is likely to prevail.

I have ZERO respect for this notion of "precedent." What some past judge decided does not address the issue of the powers of the Presidency to control his own house.

The President has all the power here, and he needs to bitch slap this stupid judge by exercising it. He should instruct the Secret Service that Acosta is not to be allowed on the premises.

69 posted on 11/16/2018 3:01:29 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

He was deprived of his 5th amendment rights to ‘due process’ dontchaknow. /s


70 posted on 11/16/2018 3:02:31 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Cocked, locked and ready to ROCK!)
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To: EyesOfTX

Acosta ‘DID WIN’ his hard press pass back....Lets not play denial on that note.

However this is just round one....and there’s lots more to consider. He’s truly pi**ed of the most powerful man and his cabinet in the world and others in the press pool. I do not think this is in any way over.....Acosta may be sorry he got that pass back before all is said and done.

...and BTW he truly is a terrible person!


71 posted on 11/16/2018 3:03:57 PM PST by caww
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To: EyesOfTX

That is not the way most media outlets are stating it, that they did not win. They are reporting that they did win. Typical for the news media!


72 posted on 11/16/2018 3:05:30 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent (.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
This judge has NO JURISDICTION over the Executive Branch of the United States. NONE.

This. A supposedly "co-equal" branch of government has no authority to tell the other branches what to do.

73 posted on 11/16/2018 3:06:27 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: EyesOfTX

I get it. Our Constitution/Bill of Rights is followed to the letter when it involves anything government related. This is why it’s so difficult to fire a bad civil service employee. It shouldn’t be but the way it affects the lowest person on the gov totem pole is how it supposed affects those above him.

The fact is our government needs a good makeover/reform. Maybe that will happen with the convention of states.

So much of our system is broken.


74 posted on 11/16/2018 3:08:10 PM PST by Boomer (The only good leftists are those who have 'left us' for another country)
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To: caww
Acosta ‘DID WIN’ his hard press pass back....Lets not play denial on that note.

No. The president cannot allow this little piss-ant of a federal Judge to dictate the powers of the Presidency. The President controls his home, and the Judge has not a F***ing thing to say about it.

Trump should tell the Judge to go F*** himself, and he should tell Acosta to stay off the Whitehouse grounds.

Allowing any Federal judge to control the President in this manner is a constitutional crises. It cannot be allowed.

75 posted on 11/16/2018 3:12:40 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yes he did win his press pass back....what happens now he has it back, and it’s determined about the case itself, is another story yet to be written. But he certainly has it in hand now.... until when is the question now?


76 posted on 11/16/2018 3:15:58 PM PST by caww
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To: EyesOfTX

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Makes no sense at all.

If a pass is a constitutional right, where is mine?
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77 posted on 11/16/2018 3:17:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: caww
My point is that Trump should borrow a line from Andrew Jackson. The Judge has made his decision "now let him enforce it."

Trump should deliberately, and with malice aforethought, defy that judge, and order Acosta kept off the premises.

78 posted on 11/16/2018 3:25:33 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

“Allowing any Federal judge to control the President in this manner is a constitutional crises. It cannot be allowed”

We knew this crap wouldn’t stop when they started in with their injunctions on immigration. Whoever is advising PDJT to go along with this bullsh!t is an ahole.

I know he has to weigh whether he’ll be impeached or not over asserting his constitutional power as the executive but the damage being done to the separation of powers and the Constitution itself is catastrophic


79 posted on 11/16/2018 3:28:53 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Cocked, locked and ready to ROCK!)
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To: TomGuy
If a person inside a courtroom is ‘held in contempt’ by the Judge, does that person get due process?

Bad example. Contempt findings require that the person first be placed on notice that they are in violation of an order or published rule. I've seen contempt citations reversed for that exact reason.

That being said, I don't agree that there should be a due process right for a press pass. But this was a lower Court judge bound by the precedent of his own Circuit Court of Appeals. He gave the best ruling he could under those circumstances, and did not give Acosta and the press what they really wanted - a First Amendment right to attend press conferences.

80 posted on 11/16/2018 3:29:27 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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