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High-profile ocean warming paper to get a correction

ScienceMag.org ^ | Nov 14, 2018 | Christa Marshall, E&E News

Originally published by E&E News

Scientists behind a major study on ocean warming this month are acknowledging errors in their calculations and say conclusions are not as certain as first reported.

The research, published in the journal Nature, said oceans are warming much faster than previously estimated and are taking up more energy than projected by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) [Climatewire, Nov. 1].

After a blog post flagged some discrepancies in the study, the authors, from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in San Diego, California, and Princeton University in New Jersey, said they would submit a correction to the journal.

The overall conclusion that oceans are trapping more and more heat mirrors other studies and is not inaccurate, but the margin of error in the study is larger than originally thought, said Ralph Keeling, a professor of geosciences at Scripps and co-author of the paper.

"These problems do not invalidate the methodology or the new insights into ocean biogeochemistry on which it is based, but they do influence the mean rate of warming we infer, and more importantly, the uncertainties of that calculation," said Keeling in a statement on RealClimate.org.

He added that he accepts "responsibility for these oversights, because it was my role to ensure that details of the measurements were correctly understood and taken up by coauthors."

Scripps corrected a news release on its website, with a statement from Keeling.

"Obviously this is difficult but I am glad we are setting it right," said Laure Resplandy, an associate professor of geosciences at Princeton who was the disputed paper's lead author, in an email.

A spokesperson for Nature said "issues relating to this paper have been brought to Nature's attention and we are looking into them carefully. We take all concerns related to papers we have published very seriously and will issue an update once further information is available."

"Science is complex"

The errors were pointed out by British researcher Nic Lewis on the blog of Judith Curry, a former professor at the Georgia Institute of Technology's School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences who has questioned the accuracy of some climate models.

"Just a few hours of analysis and calculations, based only on published information, was sufficient to uncover apparently serious (but surely inadvertent) errors in the underlying calculations," Lewis wrote.

The study suggested greenhouse gas emissions may need to be cut much faster than anticipated to meet climate targets, because of more aggressive ocean warming calculated in a new model. The team examined changes in atmospheric ocean and carbon dioxide levels to assess how the ocean's heat content has changed over time.

Keeling said the team incorrectly assessed oxygen measurements. Ocean warming likely is still greater than IPCC estimates, but the range of probability is more in line with previous studies.

"The more important message is that our study lacks the accuracy to narrow the range of previous estimates of ocean uptake," Keeling said in an email. He thanked Lewis for pointing out the anomaly.

Gavin Schmidt, director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, said it's not unheard of for there to be occasional errors in peer-reviewed studies.

"The fact is that science is complex, and when you have a lot of different steps from people in different sub-fields, it is understandable that some things slip through the cracks," Schmidt said. "While it's initially embarrassing, post-publication review is helpful and ultimately constructive."

In the past, scientific debates about climate science have prompted skeptics to attack mainstream climate science generally. Some climate scientists said they are concerned that could happen again in this case and the outcome wildly misinterpreted.

When asked about the response of skeptics, climate scientist Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University in State College said, "We can't worry about that."

"We have to just call it as we see it, do good science, put it out there, defend it and, when necessary, correct it. That's the legitimate scientific process, and it stands in stark contrast to the tactics employed by the forces of pseudoscience and antiscience," Mann said.

This morning the website Climate Depot, which frequently targets mainstream climate science, sent out an email with the headline, "Skeptic review dismantles study."

1 posted on 11/18/2018 9:54:28 AM PST by ETL
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2 posted on 11/18/2018 9:55:04 AM PST by ETL (Obama-Hillary, REAL Russia collusion! Uranium-One Deal, Missile Defense, Iran Deal, Nukes: Click ETL)
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CO2 is so passe.

They FULLY realize CO2 doesn’t not, never has , driven temperatures so, the old BAIT AND SWITCH.

CO2 has been dropped and replaced with another element on the Periodic Table- CARBON.

See how that works? LIFE is CARBON based. YOU, living your life are a pollutant so they can regulate everything you do.


3 posted on 11/18/2018 9:58:56 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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It doesn’t matter if there has been a retraction. The original, flawed study will be cited forever. That’s just the way the Internet works.


5 posted on 11/18/2018 10:00:10 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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Just yesterday while President Trump was visiting the destruction of Paradise California a reporter asked him if this changed his mind on global warming. His reply, “this is a forest management issue”.


8 posted on 11/18/2018 10:02:03 AM PST by Ben Mugged (He who lacks the will does not need the ability.)
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I guess you don’t come by to FP much?

This subject has been posted many, many times on FP since it was first noted.

Yes, this story is from 11/14/2018 but they are late to the party.


9 posted on 11/18/2018 10:02:30 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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Also the ozone hole has healed itself, but it's not being reported loudly... 😒
10 posted on 11/18/2018 10:02:33 AM PST by proust ("The rule is, jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today.")
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This is how Grant money works. NOW, everyone has to examine THEIR findings based on tyhose erroneous findings....and they will all need more Grant Money to do that....and they will get it.


11 posted on 11/18/2018 10:04:22 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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So naturally we’ll be getting an apology and trillions of dollars back.


12 posted on 11/18/2018 10:05:21 AM PST by SpaceBar
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"Just a few hours of analysis and calculations, based only on published information, was sufficient to uncover apparently serious (but surely inadvertent) errors in the underlying calculations," Lewis wrote.

Right...as inadvertent and confused as Broward and Palm Beach counties election officials.

13 posted on 11/18/2018 10:05:28 AM PST by dennisw
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This is what happens when you judge these things on short term studies instead of long term studies.

Only substantial history can truly dictate the future.


16 posted on 11/18/2018 10:08:42 AM PST by Openurmind
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I’ve stopped arguing with these ‘climate change morons and just ask them let’s all agree pollution is bad, and it should ALL be stopped, right?” ... then I ask them to explain how the ‘Paris Agreement’ stopped pollution.

When they confirm that they don’t know (as expected) I tell them that it didn’t- it allowed China and other countries to INCREASE pollution, while transferring huge sums of money from the USA to them.


18 posted on 11/18/2018 10:10:51 AM PST by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare itself.)
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Wow, couldn’t have seen that coming...


28 posted on 11/18/2018 10:35:36 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Ruth Bader Ginsburg doctor is a taxidermist.)
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Someone please tell this to Holly-Wood’s own Robert DI-BOZO!


29 posted on 11/18/2018 10:41:29 AM PST by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now. .)
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Where was this published? Sounds like among many issues that this was not properly peer reviewed. It suggests the possibility that publishers and peers overlooked problems in a rush to publish results they like.

Lack of the Scientific Process is the biggest flaw in the whole global warming debate. But that shouldn’t be an excuse to ignore the rigor of analysis. It is simply impossible to obtain a double-blind control group. The entire theory rests on post hoc analysis.

Separately, anyone who says “it is settled science” is not a scientist. In science nothing is ever settled; in fact it is an important principle to challenge science at every turn - that is what science is.


31 posted on 11/18/2018 10:44:08 AM PST by monkeyshine
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Imagine that.

From joannenova.com.au

32 posted on 11/18/2018 10:49:00 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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Major science paper debunked by hobbyist.


33 posted on 11/18/2018 11:31:10 AM PST by Crucial
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Error? ERROR? There are no errors in baseball!

Waitaminute...


34 posted on 11/18/2018 2:28:49 PM PST by Libloather (Trivial Pursuit question - name the first female to lose TWO presidential elections!)
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To: ETL; pookie18

40 posted on 11/18/2018 11:27:39 PM PST by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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Algore could not be reached for comment.


42 posted on 11/19/2018 6:22:12 PM PST by EdnaMode
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