Posted on 11/19/2018 8:39:26 AM PST by EveningStar
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Gettysburg Address as recited by Jeff Daniels.
I'd rather you sell me all your guns at ten cents on the dollar.
You might as well. You are all set to be flimflammed out of your firearms by the Democrats anyway.
When is Trump going to sign the legislation outlawing private ownership of guns.
You would take ten cents on the dollar for guns if you believe that the Federal Government would waste a nuclear weapon on a citizen because they didn’t surrender a fire arm.
Actually that was a telling comment from demojeff - eager to profit from the misery of US citizens.
misery how?
“That’s right. That’s why Lincoln had no option but to stop the insurrectionists who attempted to destroy our union.”
Yes sir! To save the country you have to destroy it!
Bringing up 1776 is not a good idea for someone trying to *STOP* an independence movement. It makes the other side look like heroes.
Fort Sumter isn't in the North. It's in the South. It's in their territory. Also, they wouldn't have fired on it if Lincoln hadn't sent the war fleet to attack them, or if Anderson would have agreed not to fire on them.
Implying that the Declaration of Independence was about freedom for slaves is more of a deliberate lie than it is about being crazy. Lincoln knew better.
If you mean applying constitutional law as written, then yes, they were.
The fugitive slave act requires exactly the same thing as Article IV, section 2 of the US Constitution.
They only created the fugitive slave act because states were deliberately ignoring the requirements of Article IV, section 2 of the US Constitution.
Goaded my @$$, he made it absolutely necessary. He sent a fleet of warships with orders to use their cannons to attack the confederates around Fort Sumter.
What did you think they were going to do? Sit there and absorb cannonballs?
States are not required to enforce Federal Law.
“With the exception of the original 13 states, the rest of the states didn’t join anything and ratified nothing. They were allowed to join and only after a majority of the other states, as expressed by a vote in both houses of Congress, agreed to let them in. Shouldn’t leaving require the same thing?”
OK, but you have to look to the Constitution, right? Isn’t that what’s it for?
The Constitution describes how to document is ratified and how it goes into effect. The Constitution describes how subsequent states are to be admitted to the Union by Congress. The Constitution does not describe how congress allows states to leave the Union. (Obviously, that means it doesn’t have the power.) The Constitution also describes limitations of the powers of the states (Art I, sec. 9). Nothing in the Constitution prohibits states from withdrawing or confers a power upon congress to prevent it. The 9th and 10th Amendments reserve to the states and the people all powers not delegated to the US by the Constitution.
Why is this so hard?
It ceased being Federal property when the state reassumed it's powers previously relinquished to the Federal Government.
Lincoln himself said that the land belongs to the people who live on it.
Lincoln created the necessity of attacking the fort by sending a fleet of warships to attack the confederates around it. Had Lincoln not sent those warships with their orders to use force, the confederates would not have attacked the fort.
General Beauregard even sent notice to Major Anderson that if he would refrain from using the guns of the fort to attack them when those warships arrived, he would make no move against the fort.
Anderson replied that if he fired at those ships, the fort would attack his forces. This answer made it impossible to leave the fort alone, or else Beauregard would have had to face cannon fire from two fronts simultaneously.
Right to leave.
Show me the order by Lincoln where he directed the ships use their cannon to attack the confederates around Fort Sumter.
And no, I don't want to hear your denials of it. I've found adequate proof that this claim is true, and i've posted it for you in the past. You just refuse to accept that this really happened, because it is not justifiable under the claim one is defending the constitution.
One would have thought that the Southern States would have applauded this as a principal of “States Rights”
Imminent Domain. Once the state reassumed it's former powers, it could once again reclaim it's property for it's own public interest.
They didn't need a reason. When one has a right to do something, one does not have to explain why one wishes to do it. A right allows one to do it without explaining why.
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