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FLASHBACK: Obama used pepper spray on illegal trying to cross the border (Nov. 25, 2013).
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-border-patrol-rock-throwing-san-ysidro-2013nov25-story.html ^

Posted on 11/26/2018 2:53:11 AM PST by gattaca

Border Patrol: crowd confronts agents

group of about 100 people trying to illegally cross the border Sunday near the San Ysidro port of entry threw rocks and bottles at U.S. Border Patrol agents, who responded by using pepper spray and other means to force the crowd back into Mexico, federal officials said.

The incident has raised concerns among advocates on both sides of the immigration debate, as well as Border Patrol representatives.

Immigrant-rights groups in San Diego said they didn’t know beforehand about the plan to rush the border, and they worry that desperation is driving homeless deportees to make a bold bid to rejoin their families in the United States.

Border-security groups see this situation as evidence that the border remains unsecured, something they said should be fixed before Congress considers proposals to grant legal status to unauthorized immigrants.

And Border Patrol representatives worry that Sunday’s confrontation could be a political protest, which they said agents want to avoid — especially when it involves the potential for loss of life.

The incident occurred about a quarter-mile west of the San Ysidro border crossing in the Tijuana River channel. No one was seriously injured, no shots were fired and no arrests were made, said Mary Beth Caston, a Border Patrol spokeswoman.

The group first approached a lone agent stationed about 1/8 of a mile north of the border. They ignored his commands to stop, so he fired pepper balls to try to stop them and protect himself, Caston said.

As the crowd kept advancing and throwing rocks and bottles, she said, more agents came to the scene and used other “intermediate use-of-force devices” to push back the group. The agents also contacted Mexican law enforcement.

Tijuana’s top police officer, Public Safety Secretary J. Alberto Capella, said “There is no information that we can provide.” He referred questions to the U.S. Border Patrol.

The spokesman for Tijuana police, Rafael Morales, said the agency’s officers did not intervene and had no knowledge of the incident.

Caston said several agents were struck in the arms and legs with rocks, and that one agent was hit in the head with a filled water bottle.

“While attacks on Border Patrol agents are not uncommon, the agents showed great restraint when faced with the dangers of this unusually large group, and fortunately no one was serious injured,” said Paul Beeson, San Diego sector chief for the Border Patrol.

The agency did not specify the time of Sunday’s incident.

This type of rush on the border has not been seen since the late 1980s and early ’90s, when groups of border-crossers would run into the U.S. while agents tried to apprehend as many people as possible. The practice mostly disappeared after Operation Gatekeeper began in 1994 and brought with it tall fences, walls and more agents.

“If it was a protest, it was a really stupid way to go about it because there were individuals who started throwing rocks and other projectiles,” said Shawn Moran, vice president of the National Border Patrol Council. “It’s not the right venue; agents do not enact legislation, don’t write laws or write polices. If protesters want to address Congress and try to change laws, so be it.”

Local border-security advocates were on edge Monday about the incident.

“Obviously, these attempted mass crossing and attacks on our border agents show that our border is not secure,” said Jeff Schwilk of the San Diegans for Secure Borders Coalition. “All the talk in Washington this year of another amnesty for 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants is just encouraging more desperate foreigners to enter our country illegally.”

Immigrant-rights advocates said they doubt the mass rush was organized.

Christian Ramirez, human rights director for the Southern Border Communities Coalition, said he does not believe the move could have been a strategic protest. He views it as an act of desperation on the part of deportees who have been pushed to live around the river in makeshift camps or those who are set up in other migrant camps in the city.

These are deportees who face the most challenging situations, he and other immigrant advocates said. Many do not speak Spanish, have no roots in Mexico, have criminal records or tattoos and cannot find jobs or get registered in Mexico. Most are homeless and live in makeshift camps that have sprouted up in and around the river.

The incident raises questions again about how Border Patrol responds in such situations and if it adheres to its use-of-force policies. The agency has not released its policies despite numerous requests to do so after several high profile deaths.

“Because of the growing instances in which Border Patrol has been involved in this sort of use-of-force that it’s important for the agency to be transparent,” Ramirez said. “To report to the public exactly what went on and to report what weapons were used.”

Advocates acknowledge the restraint agents used under the circumstances but they still have concerns given the agency’s recent decision to continue to use deadly force against rock throwers. This despite an outside review that recommended the agency rethink that approach.

On Monday, a group of congressional members sent a letter to the agency asking for more clarity regarding use-of-force policies.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: border; obama; pepperspray; teargas

1 posted on 11/26/2018 2:53:11 AM PST by gattaca
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To: gattaca

Obama must be anti-Hispanic. What else could explain that behavior?


2 posted on 11/26/2018 3:17:46 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: gattaca
desperation is driving homeless deportees

You want to see desperation driving someone, open up with a few dozen riot guns. They will be desperate to un-ass the AO.

3 posted on 11/26/2018 3:34:38 AM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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To: gattaca

I’m not sure the numbers would prove this out, but it looks like Obama was stronger on border security than his predecessor.


4 posted on 11/26/2018 3:56:03 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for our country and President Trump)
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To: gattaca

desperation is driving homeless deportees to make a bold bid to rejoin their families in the United States.


I toss the BS flag on this. If they have family here they must be illegal as well. We don’t want them. Apply the right way. Live ammo will stop these criminals.


5 posted on 11/26/2018 4:36:27 AM PST by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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To: gattaca
Obama used pepper spray on illegal trying to cross the border (Nov. 25, 2013).

That's nothing. Clinton used armed thugs to deport a young boy from Cuba who was already here.

6 posted on 11/26/2018 4:40:35 AM PST by Jess Kitting
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To: gattaca
Of course he did.The agency got wind of a group of bitter clingers who were determined to cross...and they were dealt with.And the agents surely had M-60s available in case the pepper spray didn't work.
7 posted on 11/26/2018 4:43:28 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (I've Never Owned Slaves...You've Never Picked Cotton.End Of "Discussion".)
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To: gattaca

Bump


8 posted on 11/26/2018 4:54:46 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: gattaca

Is this article really 2013, or is it just a typo of 2018?

The day and location are essentially the same as the event yesterday: 11/25 and San Yisidro.

0bama is not mentioned at all. Even more curious, Trump is not blamed.

The copyright at the bottom is 2018.

Nothing in the article really differentiates any 2013 incident with yesterday’s incident.

I’d be very interested in any prior event, especially during the reign of Won, but hesitant using one that is based on a typo, if that is the case.


9 posted on 11/26/2018 4:55:03 AM PST by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: gattaca

btt


10 posted on 11/26/2018 4:55:14 AM PST by KSCITYBOY (The media is corrupt)
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To: C210N

The article says 2013, it was on Drudge.


11 posted on 11/26/2018 5:00:05 AM PST by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: gattaca

Yep, further digging, I searched on the author who appears to have worked for the San Diego Union for about 3 years during that timeframe, and not since 2013 (2011-2013).

Didn’t know it was Drudged. Thanks!


12 posted on 11/26/2018 5:02:11 AM PST by C210N (Republicans sign check fronts; 'Rats sign check backs.)
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To: C210N

I thought the date of Nov. 25 was odd, too, so I did a double take.


13 posted on 11/26/2018 5:06:37 AM PST by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: gattaca

After seeing this theme repeated day after day, I’m convinced the media has replaced the question - “What would Jesus do?” - with, “What would Obama do?”.

Somehow, I can’t see Trump directing his staff to “research what obama did about.....” any given situation before he (Trump) makes a decision to act.

The thought of a mass-fail president like obama setting a precedent for all future Presidential behavior and decisions is unthinkable.

The twisted thinking of “obama used pepper spray” so it’s acceptable for Trump to use (pepper spray), stoops to the level of “ocasio-stupidity”.

You notice that they never compare Trumps booming economy, and record-low unemployment to obamas record in those areas...well, obama claims he started it, but we all know better, as we lived through the eight years of the kenyan usurper.


14 posted on 11/26/2018 5:32:12 AM PST by FrankR (Make America Great Again, and Keep It That Way.)
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To: FrankR
I’m convinced the media has replaced the question - “What would Jesus do?” - with, “What would Obama do?”.

Despite him being an obvious Muslim, there are many who still believe Obama is the Black Jesus.

15 posted on 11/26/2018 7:40:41 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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