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To: soupbone1

No, it’s not satire.

The US convinced the Ukrainians to give up their nuclear deterrent against the promise of US assistance if they were invaded by Russia.

They upheld their part of the bargain.

If we won’t uphold our part of the bargain then we need to give them back their nuclear deterrent or else allow the Russians to invade the rest of Ukraine...and then something else...and then something else again until we’re forced to confront them in a broader war.

Better to let the Ukrainians stare down Ivan than for us to stare down Ivan.


11 posted on 11/27/2018 5:01:17 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: MeganC
The US convinced the Ukrainians to give up their nuclear deterrent against the promise of US assistance if they were invaded by Russia.

When did the Senate confirm a treaty of military assistance to Ukraine?

(hint: never)

14 posted on 11/27/2018 5:13:00 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: MeganC

You are exactly right about Ukraine. In 1994, they had the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world and agreed to give them up and voluntarily joined the Treaty on non Nuclear proliferation of Nuclear weapons. Our Government ratified that treaty. They did this in exchange for security assurances signed in the Budapest Memorandum. That memorandum is signed by us.

Now some on here may pooh-pooh this but it’s serious. Our guarantee should mean something. If it doesn’t, how will we ever get North Korea to give up it’s nukes? We already screwed up in Libya thanks to us joining that coalition to oust Gadaffi who wasn’t doing anything to us at the time. We should have told those European countries to pound sand.

We assured Gadaffi we wouldn’t come after him if he gave up his nukes. We signed a memorandum with Ukraine assuring them if they gave up their nukes we would guarantee them security assurances. If we don’t live up to our legal guarantees we might as well let everyone go build nukes because none of these leaders will believe us anymore.

My opinion, our next move in the Ukraine should be to start sailing some big fat nuclear aircraft carriers into the region. See how Russia likes that. This isn’t just about the Ukraine either. Russia’s ultimate goal is to have full control of the Black Sea. The United States has long stood for freedom of navigation of the worlds waterways.


28 posted on 11/28/2018 5:14:20 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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