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Half the land in Oklahoma could be returned to Native Americans. It should be.
WaPo via Outline.com ^ | 11/29/18 | Rebecca Nagle

Posted on 11/29/2018 2:31:07 AM PST by T-Bird45

A Supreme Court case about jurisdiction in an obscure murder has huge implications for tribes.

On the morning of June 22, 1839, the Cherokee leader John Ridge was pulled from his bed, dragged into his front yard and stabbed 84 times while his family watched. He was assassinated for signing the Cherokee Nation’s removal treaty, a document that — in exchange for the tribe’s homelands — promised uninterrupted sovereignty over a third of the land in present-day Oklahoma. That promise was not kept.

Sixty-seven years later, federal agents questioned John’s grandson, William D. Polson. They needed to add him to a list of every Cherokee living in Indian Territory to start the process of land allotments. Through allotment, all land belonging to the Cherokee Nation — the land John had signed his life for — would be split up between individual citizens and then opened up for white settlement. And by this grand act of bureaucratic theft, Oklahoma became a state.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Oklahoma
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To: dangus

21 posted on 11/29/2018 3:46:53 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. Athanasius)
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To: dp0622

On the morning of June 22, 1839,..

QUICK!! SOMEONE CONVENE A GRAND JURY!!

Isn’t that the date the Mueller probe began?


22 posted on 11/29/2018 3:47:02 AM PST by Flick Lives
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To: dangus

23 posted on 11/29/2018 3:47:09 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. Athanasius)
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To: dangus

24 posted on 11/29/2018 3:48:08 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. Athanasius)
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To: T-Bird45

We should give California back to the Mexicans. Tbat will fix many problems!


25 posted on 11/29/2018 4:02:06 AM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: T-Bird45

Does the article state that it was other Cherokee who assassinated John Ridge, the Cherokee leader?


26 posted on 11/29/2018 4:39:21 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: T-Bird45

Next they’ll be wanting reparations for blacks. Oh, wait....


27 posted on 11/29/2018 4:40:00 AM PST by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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To: dangus

An excellent point.


28 posted on 11/29/2018 4:40:29 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: T-Bird45

Most Native American in Oklahoma were transplants from the east. So they didn’t “own” the land to begin with.


29 posted on 11/29/2018 4:43:27 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: T-Bird45

So this really means Liz Warren’s family stole land from the Cherokee. Nor that she is Cherokee. She and her family are land thieves.....


30 posted on 11/29/2018 4:50:14 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: rwoodward

Not necessarily for Mexico.


31 posted on 11/29/2018 4:51:35 AM PST by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: T-Bird45

So, the Feds give parcels of land to the Indians who then sell the land to others. Now, the Indians want the land back????


32 posted on 11/29/2018 4:55:11 AM PST by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: T-Bird45

Boo (bleeping) hoo.
Please—check out red/white relations starting with the organized massacres of settlers in the spring of 1622. How the ‘indian’s’ greatest pleasures came in torturing their captives to death as slowly as possible. Watching their OTHER captives witness the horrors was a major part of the fun.
Note that this was tribes vs. CIVILIAN FARMERS—not at all involving governments.
As for any agreements or treaties—research the term “indian giver”.
This conflict mostly ended with the mass production of the lever-action Winchester ‘73 rifle, again—in the hands of civilians who did most if not all the actual fighting.
By the 1840’s there wasn’t much patience left.


33 posted on 11/29/2018 5:05:04 AM PST by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
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To: PeteB570
Why is there no reservation in Europe for the Goths?

There were. The Goths were foederati to the Romans but then they rose up and took the entire province for themselves. Today it is called Spain. The nations of Western Europe are the successors of the various foederati that overthrew the Western Roman Empire. The reservations swallowed the empire.

34 posted on 11/29/2018 5:05:17 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: DugwayDuke

>>>So, the Feds give parcels of land to the Indians who then sell the land to others. Now, the Indians want the land back????

Not exactly. They want the land to be considered reservation jurisdiction. Half the states in the union have reservations, and the majority of those have reservations that — thanks to allotment — have non-Native owned “fee land” where tribal jurisdiction is already limited.


35 posted on 11/29/2018 5:14:54 AM PST by oincobx
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To: ifinnegan
There’s a concerted effort I’m seeing.

Look for more and more articles on Indian genocide by Americans.

Not balanced articles.


Not balanced at all. Agenda articles, a.k.a. fake news.

How about some articles on Indian genocide on other Indian tribes? How about some articles on the kindness Red Cloud showed towards his Indian brethren of competing tribes? /s

36 posted on 11/29/2018 5:15:09 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie ("The MSM is the enemy of the American people"...Democrat Pat Caddell)
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To: Magnatron
Most Native American in Oklahoma were transplants from the east. So they didn’t “own” the land to begin with.

Whatever. If they have a treaty, the US should honor it.

Since the RATs violated the original treaty, they should give them back all the Cherokee land in Tennesee, Georgia, North Carolina and Alabama as well.

Andrew Jackass marched 13,000 Cherokees from there to Oklahoma in the shameful "Trail of Tears"....4000 died from exposure, marching barefoot in an exceptionally cold winter.

Before forced relocation, the Cherokee Nation was a very advanced culture, having a written language and even a newspaper.

37 posted on 11/29/2018 5:18:48 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The Obama is about to hit the fan.)
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To: djpg

Those Indians got what they considered to be Fair Market Value calculated in wampum and beads.


38 posted on 11/29/2018 6:11:13 AM PST by VietVet876
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I believe the federal government took part of the Cherokee lands in Indian Territory from them to punish them for siding with the Confederacy in the War Between the States.


39 posted on 11/29/2018 6:14:01 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: T-Bird45

How about half the land in California and New York? In fact, Manhattan should be given back to the tribe it was stolen from - and DeBlasio given the job of head stableboy. :)


40 posted on 11/29/2018 6:17:43 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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