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1 posted on 11/29/2018 2:31:07 AM PST by T-Bird45
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/28/half-land-oklahoma-could-be-returned-native-americans-it-should-be/?utm_term=.d449a6498d65

Good history read - this is not being extensively covered here in OK. An adverse decision by SCOTUS could upset lots of apple carts. I need to find some more reporting on the actual discussion from the justices. If anybody has a good link, it would be greatly appreciated.


2 posted on 11/29/2018 2:33:46 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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Liberals want to punish OK to get back for its being a Red State.

Its all about politics with those folks. Has nothing to do with Native Americans anymore than Khashoggi has anything to do with Trump.

I know them like the back of my hand.


4 posted on 11/29/2018 2:37:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Why is there no reservation in Europe for the Goths?


5 posted on 11/29/2018 2:37:49 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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There’s a concerted effort I’m seeing.

Look for more and more articles on Indian genocide by Americans.

Not balanced articles.


6 posted on 11/29/2018 2:42:51 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Start with Mahanattan and every lying swindling trinket-peddling racist shivering in his burrow.


12 posted on 11/29/2018 3:05:02 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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My Homestead Patent from 1901 says “forever”, in regards to the homesteaders and their families being entitled to keep the land.


13 posted on 11/29/2018 3:08:37 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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Return Manhattan to the Indians. They were cheated out of it.


15 posted on 11/29/2018 3:15:06 AM PST by djpg
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Let them take back land from the federal government.
18 posted on 11/29/2018 3:43:36 AM PST by dangus ("The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops" -- St. Athanasius)
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We should give California back to the Mexicans. Tbat will fix many problems!


25 posted on 11/29/2018 4:02:06 AM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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Does the article state that it was other Cherokee who assassinated John Ridge, the Cherokee leader?


26 posted on 11/29/2018 4:39:21 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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Next they’ll be wanting reparations for blacks. Oh, wait....


27 posted on 11/29/2018 4:40:00 AM PST by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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Most Native American in Oklahoma were transplants from the east. So they didn’t “own” the land to begin with.


29 posted on 11/29/2018 4:43:27 AM PST by Magnatron
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So this really means Liz Warren’s family stole land from the Cherokee. Nor that she is Cherokee. She and her family are land thieves.....


30 posted on 11/29/2018 4:50:14 AM PST by realcleanguy
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So, the Feds give parcels of land to the Indians who then sell the land to others. Now, the Indians want the land back????


32 posted on 11/29/2018 4:55:11 AM PST by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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Boo (bleeping) hoo.
Please—check out red/white relations starting with the organized massacres of settlers in the spring of 1622. How the ‘indian’s’ greatest pleasures came in torturing their captives to death as slowly as possible. Watching their OTHER captives witness the horrors was a major part of the fun.
Note that this was tribes vs. CIVILIAN FARMERS—not at all involving governments.
As for any agreements or treaties—research the term “indian giver”.
This conflict mostly ended with the mass production of the lever-action Winchester ‘73 rifle, again—in the hands of civilians who did most if not all the actual fighting.
By the 1840’s there wasn’t much patience left.


33 posted on 11/29/2018 5:05:04 AM PST by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
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How about half the land in California and New York? In fact, Manhattan should be given back to the tribe it was stolen from - and DeBlasio given the job of head stableboy. :)


40 posted on 11/29/2018 6:17:43 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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Not happening folks.


42 posted on 11/29/2018 6:49:52 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight yourr way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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First of all, when the legend of Native Americans is told, don't they usually mention how much they love the land, and that land ownership is a concept that seems to contradict the philosophy of people being caretakers of the earth? I thought they claimed that no man could "own" land. Now they want half an entire state!

Also, as far as I can tell, no Indian alive today has ever had any land taken from them by the government. Like slavery, the actual victims of the policy are long gone. Indians have every opportunity to participate in society and the economic development in America today. If they want land, they can but it just like every one else.

It's absurd that after more than a 100 years of Oklahoma statehood, a group of people can exist in that state without being subject to the laws of the land. The people of the Indian nations have no right to sovereignty just because their ancestors were conquered centuries ago.

44 posted on 11/29/2018 7:07:27 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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What this author proposes is not going to happen. She aspires to be the Wilma Mankiller of her generation I guess. Nice try but no cigar.

What might happen and is creeping in, is Tribal Jurisdiction. Increasingly Tribal Marshals are becoming involved in local law enforcement. Also, the State of Oklahoma is so mismanaged that they are turning over state properties to the tribes to operate. I doubt the tribes are any less corrupt or mismanaged than the State of Oklahoma though. I can see the “District of TribeX” operating like a large county within the state but the state would continue to exist. It would be odd but it could happen in theory someday.

as someone noted, the author fails to mention that her ancestor was acting unilaterally against another larger faction of the tribe who fought removal and would not sign the treaty and swore out a blood oath against anyone who did. The feds found a token indian in Boudinot and declared him legal in signing the treaty. It was huge mess. Jackson and the Governor of Georgia were determined to remove the Cherokee by any means necessary.

The Cherokee were the last of the tribes moved. The Chickasaw moved first with little fanfare, took their money and got their land that was like the Osage Reservation, blessed with oil. The Cherokee were last and got some of the prettier land but just about ZERO oil.

What I have never understood is why the Osage Reservation is still recognized on the maps as a Reservation and little other land in the state is. The Osage were a small tribe with lots of land and most of it was taken since it had so much oil on it.

This thread is already so convoluted though and littered with misinformation and bias it is not worth further attention.


47 posted on 11/29/2018 7:22:45 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchaged our dreams for survival. We just ha va few days that don't suck.)
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The Trilobites were here FIRST!
49 posted on 11/29/2018 7:29:49 AM PST by TADSLOS (Six out of seven dwarfs arenÂ’t happy.)
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