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To: JamesP81

No discussion on the potential need for self defense against multiple assailants? Mass shootings is only one side of the coin. What if you are being attacked by 3 armed men? Assuming of course they obey all other gun laws, they would have up to 33 bullets to your max of 11 (assuming that everyone keeps one round in the chamber plus 10 in the magazine.) You are out numbered, out gunned, and out ammo’d. Not to mention, some people have trouble getting the 9th and 10th round into the magazines.

Strict scrutiny must apply to all civil rights. The dissenting judge is correct. And even under intermediate scrutiny, the need for self defense against multiple assailants counter-balances the state’s need to prevent mass murders.


28 posted on 12/05/2018 6:47:03 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

That’s a good discussions to have as well.

The hit percentages in armed confrontations can often be very low. Under 20% is common for LEO involved shootings. That’s a good baseline to work from.

This means that, statistically, if you have a 10 round mag you’ll get two hits if you expand the entire mag in the course of a confrontation. Sometimes you’ll statistically get only one.

Often times it takes more than one hit to end a confrontation. 10 round mags are already an automatic failure in that respect. Statistically they don’t work very well if facing a single attacker.

If facing two, you’ve got real issues. I saw a YouTube video circulating a while back of a guy being accosted by 4 street criminals for wandering into their area by mistake. The confrontation didn’t go hot but if it had, that guy would’ve been been stone cold screwed if he’d had 10 rounders or a revolver even if his 4 attackers only had fists.

The truth is that the 15 to 20 round mags that handguns are designed to use are marginal, but they are as big as we can make them and still carry them easily. If you could figure out a way to carry an extended 30 rounder and keep that as a reload for your CCW, that’d actually be a good idea.


36 posted on 12/06/2018 5:38:33 AM PST by JamesP81 (The Democrat Party is a criminal organization.)
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