Posted on 12/05/2018 4:28:17 PM PST by vannrox
Legal Scholars Tell Warren Olney Why Treason Is So Difficult to Commit in the United States ...
Why is it so hard to commit treason in the United States?
The short answeroffered at the debut of a Zócalo/KCRW event series, Critical Thinking with Warren Olneyamounted to this: America was founded by traitors.
The American Revolution was a massive act of treason against the British government, said UC Davis legal scholar Carlton F.W. Larson, who is working on a book about treason. And even before the war, American colonists had been accused of treason under English law for acts of protest like the Boston Tea Party.
So, Larson said, the Founders pointedly included a limited definition of treason in the U.S. constitution. The more expansive version in English law made it easier to punish those who opposed the King as traitorswith not just execution but decapitation and disembowelment. The Founders had another reason for making treason hard to charge and prove: to discourage political opponents from accusing one another of treason and being un-American.
What the framers did not want was to have a democracy where the winning side prosecutes the losing side for treason, Larson said, a sentiment that echoes in todays bitterly partisan American politics.
Larson explained the history in response to questions from Olney, the legendary public radio host and dean of Southern California journalists, during the event at the National Center for the Preservation of Democracy in Los Angeles. Larson and his fellow panelists, all lawyers and scholars, emphasized that treason is the only crime defined in the U.S. constitution: Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. It is also the only crime with a standard of evidence: No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open Court.
UCLA legal scholar Eugene Volokh said those requirementstreason must occur in the context of war, and there must be two witnessesseverely limit prosecution for treason. When Americans commit crimes that are popularly characterized as treason, they are usually charged with other crimes. Even assisting countries like Russia and China, with whom the U.S. is often in conflict, isnt treason because were not currently at war.
There is a vast range of bad behavior, including bad behavior having to do with other countries, he said, a tiny fraction of which is treason.
Another panelist, senior lecturer at Yales Jackson Institute for Global Affairs Asha Rangappa, had firsthand dealings with what might be called treason in her previous job as an FBI special agent. She worked to identify those engaged in intelligence for foreign governments, and then flipped them to help the U.S. They are essentially betraying their country for the United States, she noted. This is the spy game. We do it. Other countries do it.
But American double agents do not necessarily commit treason under the Constitution, she said, given the requirements of war and witnesses. The notorious Robert Hanssen, a former FBI special agent who provided information to the Soviet and Russian governments for two decades, wasnt convicted of treason, but of espionage.
There are very few laws against spying, said Rangappa.
Rangappa suggested using alternative words to convey betraying the countryher preference is treachery. In the Inferno, Dante reserved the ninth circle of hell for treachery. He made it the lowest, blackest, and furthest from heaven, she recalled. When I talk about Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning, both of whom she said she considered traitors, their behavior may not be the legal definition of treason, but it is treacherous.
Snowden and Manning are part of a long line of American figures who are perceived at least by some as traitors. The panelists mentioned Benedict Arnold (who remains the greatest traitor America ever had, said Larson); Robert E. Lee (Volokh saw him as a traitor but noted that the Civil War shows the wisdom of having a pardon power to promote national reconciliation); and John Walker Lindh, who aided the Taliban (he pleaded guilty to charges lesser than treason).
The panelists also argued in complicated detail over Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born cleric who became an Al Qaeda propagandist and was killed by a U.S. drone on orders of President Obama. Intriguingly, panelists said that al-Awlakis online recruitment videos would not meet the Constitutions requirement of two witnesses. However, Larson allowed that if the Founders had anticipated video technology, they might have included such a video declaration as a standard for proving treason.
During the question-and-answer session, audience members pressed the panelists to comment on the ongoing investigations surrounding Russia, the 2016 elections, and President Trump and his associates. One audience member asked: Could you explain what might happen when we have the results of special counsel Robert Muellers investigation?
Many things, said Volokh, but not a treason prosecution.
Rangappa praised Mueller, her former boss when he served as FBI director, but said that people expecting his investigation to put people in prison may be disappointed. Even if he uncovers bad behavior, it could be difficult to prove federal crimes. At another point in the evening, she noted that providing information to Russians on how to use Facebook to target certain voters is not a crime, and definitely not treason.
She added that its important not to equate whats legal with whats right. She recalled doing FBI background checks of government appointees, and asking questions about peoples loyalties, bias, personal finances, or use of alcohol and drugs. The point of such checks isnt to identify crimes so much as it is to identify people who should not be in positions of public trust.
Theres a bigger picture we lose sight of when we just focus on legality and criminality, she said.
This is some piss poor legal scholarship. The Founders couldnt be traitors because you cant be a traitor to a tyranny.
Really? Source please.
Demoncrats are domestic enemies and they’re at war with America and the Constitution. It’s a 2-fer.
We had a marxist, muslim, America-hating, faggot, illegal alien, enemy combatant as a commander in chief for 8 long years. The O’muslim admin(marxists,maoists & muslims) WAS A TREASON REGIME.
In case people have missed it, it’s prospering like an MFer.
“It must be in wartime”
Demoncrats are in an all out do or die WAR against America and the Constitution.
My hunch is that it was because of the many treason prosecutions back in Tudor times. In Henry's and Elizabeth's time "treason" was applied quite loosely and perhaps unfairly. The Founders would have learned about those prosecutions in school and in their reading.
If what I've seen online is true, there were few prosecutions for treason in the Hanoverian era - mostly tied to the two Jacobite uprisings. So maybe the Founders' definition wasn't that different from the evolving British understanding of treason.
I dont mind if they get Hillary for espionage.
We executed the Rosenbergs for espionage.
We are currently involved in SEVEN wars all over the globe. There is no way that the founders of the USA ever envisioned such a travesty.
We currently pay an accumulated 60% to 80% of our incomes in taxes, fees, hidden costs, over regulation and government requirements. It’s a terrible shame. The worst part is that many of these costs are hidden. Like Social Security 8% plus 8% hidden.
Actually, we do not have an "enemy" outside the context of hostilities. The term hostilities means any conflict subject to the laws of war. This is not limited to only a declared war via Art. I, Sect. 8.
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