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1 posted on 12/06/2018 4:20:18 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

Great idea...what could go wrong?

Really? We can’t bag and tag a bunch of goat-humping cave dwellers, and we’re going to phuck with the Russkies in their backyard lake? Wow, just wow!


2 posted on 12/06/2018 4:22:57 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Zhang Fei

Nothing like adding a catalyst to the events there.


3 posted on 12/06/2018 4:25:06 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Zhang Fei

Putin knows Trump doesn’t back down. Putin won’t do anything....this time.


4 posted on 12/06/2018 4:25:27 PM PST by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket)
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Crimea was Russian before communists.

Khruschev “gifted “ it to Ukraine in the 50’s .

Technically any act done by communists should be illegal as communists themselves.

Too much history, blood and treasure was spent by pre communist Russia defending Crimea , to even consider it being something else.


7 posted on 12/06/2018 4:32:23 PM PST by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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To: Zhang Fei

Why? Just... why?


8 posted on 12/06/2018 4:32:37 PM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Zhang Fei

Not sure, but seems to me we usually have ships there so this would be a “nothingburger”.


10 posted on 12/06/2018 4:38:05 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Zhang Fei

The black sea is irrelevant


11 posted on 12/06/2018 4:40:19 PM PST by bert ( (KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Invade Honduras. Provide a military government)
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Wonder which ship? The USN Ronald Reagan? Or the garbage scow USN Barrack Hussein Obama ?


12 posted on 12/06/2018 4:40:36 PM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Zhang Fei; Fred Nerks

International Law governs the issue, and when a nation has both sides of a straight, they can claim to control the passage and exclude non permitted traffic. Russia is now on both sides of these straights and seeks to have the international community recognize the international law claim that Russia is obviously making.

If other nations, like the USA do not recognize the claim and seek to pass as usual, the Russians will be forced to exercise force majeur, which they have already done with the Ukraine. The Russians are obviously ready to make the decision to use force against all comers, including the USA, or they would not have made the legal claim to control the straights, since Russia is now on both sides of the straights.

If Russia backs down on its claim to control access to the Black Sea,, then watch the Russian Artic brigade, they may claim oil rich Arctic territory by sending troops into the Canadian portion of the Arctic. Canada does not have the military means to prevent Russia from annexing parts of Canada in the far North.Also Lithuania and /or Estonia could be annexed by Russia.Nato cannot stop Russia, its weak and compromised by Russia economically, at least Germany is for sure, they get ALL of their natural gas from Russia, so Germany is unlikely to stand in Russia’s adventurism in Europe. Canada can’t, its ruled by an ideologue privileged class of Liberals and Socialists who get more upset by male dominated Saudi Arabia than they would about the Russian annexation of Canada’s far North.

In short, Russia has NATO and Canada by the short hairs, and there is not much the USA can do about it.


23 posted on 12/06/2018 4:56:48 PM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Zhang Fei

Technically, the US is not a party to the treaty and isn’t bound by it.

Lots of limitations on tonnage and number of vessles based on various circumstances. Article 14 - no more than 9 vessels aggregating 15,000 tons displacement in transit. Article 17 -No use of aircraft while in transit. Article 18 - tonnage in the Black Sea not to exceed 30,000 tons. Limit of 21 days.


28 posted on 12/06/2018 5:04:44 PM PST by PAR35
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This could get very interesting.

My fear is that Iran wants to really, really sink a major US Naval vessel. Could the Republican Guard be invited into Turkey with some long range weaponry and do the dirty work for Russia? Sure they could.


36 posted on 12/06/2018 5:42:13 PM PST by Robert357 ( Dan Rather was discharged as "medically unfit" on May 11, 1954.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Why interests does the US have in the Black Sea?


37 posted on 12/06/2018 5:59:52 PM PST by C19fan
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To: Zhang Fei

MUGA (Make Ukraine Great Again)


41 posted on 12/06/2018 6:16:16 PM PST by McGruff
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I have a dream that one day the military industrial complex will go to hell and the usa and russia can once again be allies against globalist bastards,radical muslem extemists,protecting whats left of western civilization from the crazies. But thats just me. Btw, the ukranian govt is a cia installed dictatorship and crimea was russian 500 years ago.


52 posted on 12/06/2018 7:32:43 PM PST by Fla.Deporable
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“sail warships”??

Bit dated term.

But it is CNN.


56 posted on 12/06/2018 9:18:11 PM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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