Brexit: Theresa May understood to be delaying key vote

BBC News ^ | 12/10/2018 | BBC

[cranked]

May getting ready to have a ‘Brexit’ branded to her forehead.......

[Winniesboy]

Although I can see from your comments that your grasp of the Brexit issues is a lot better than that of most Freepers, to speak of the payment in the deal as ‘fines’ is way off the mark. The initial negotiated settlement in the severance deal is simply the adjustment of net liabilities which happens when any business partnership is dissolved. It includes things like contributions to continuing EU programmes to which the UK was already contracted for the rest of the current budge cycle, pension contributions contracted to British EU staff etc. The additional payments during the ‘transition’ period are for continued access to EU services during that period.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

I know the 40 bn was not necessarily fines, but that is what it amounts to in some sense. It was shorthand rather than explaining everything you did. I still believe they have quite a bit of leverage in this deal that they have not used. The 40 bn payment for one thing and the fact that the Country of Ireland does not want a ‘hard border’ with Northern Ireland for another.

There are things that they have to negotiate with and I don’t think Theresa May has done a good job in these negotiations. First off, she should have had a list of ‘must haves’ from her Torrie/DUP members that needed to be in the deal before ever going to negotiate. She must have known that the ‘backstop’ part of the deal with Northern Ireland would be a non starter for DUP.

[Winniesboy]

It's a lousy deal, but any negotiated severance deal was always going to be a lousy deal, no matter who was negotiating. Blaming it on May, as so many do, misses the point. You don't get much out of a negotiation if the other party holds all the cards, as was the case with the severance. The UK was asking for a lot but had nothing to offer in return. (It will be a different matter with a trade deal, but those talks haven't even started yet).

The choice was always going to end up between a lousy deal and no deal.

Those calling for May to be tried for treason and the like hysterical nonsense completely misread her character. She's the typical grammar school-educated daughter of a Middle England Anglican clergyman. Takes on any job she finds herself lumbered with and sticks with it stoically. Limited abilities, no imagination, but unimpeachable integrity (at least by politicians' standards.)

[KIDFOH]

I don’t know why she is delaying.

The UK leaving EU makes perfect sense; the nations in the EU that are still functioning well enough economically, are carrying the load for those that suck. The countries that totally suck want to keep the Uk in the EU so they can parasite off of them for a while longer. That way they have more time to continue their failed policies which is why the suck in the first place.