Brexit: EU says no to May on renegotiating deal

bbc.com ^ | December 14, 2018 | BBC

[Texas Fossil]

“but unimpeachable integrity”?

I don’t see it that way at all. She was bought, prior to the “deal”.

[PapaBear3625]

EU are the ones pushing for Brexit. Not the UK. Bookmarked.

More precisely, the EU are saying "You will either go with the deal we handed you, where you will be EU slaves, or we will severely punish you in any 'hard' BRexit"

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Please tell us about this royal family in France."

Well, they used to be called the House of Bourbons, but some of the family is now called the House of Macrons. They are identified by their effete looks and marrying their high school teachers.

The rest of the family moved to Kentucky and got into making fine whiskeys. Their names are now too numerous to mention. Some of them are The Makers Mark, The Wild Turkeys and the Old Granddads....

[Vlad The Inhaler]

May sold her countrymen out.

Negotiate a bad deal knowing the EU will say “take it or forget about Brexit.”

[HighSierra5]

The shot heard round the world.

[familyop]

In some situations, a nation must “think outside the box” or even make its own box.

[KarlInOhio]

The EU has essentially said “the UK can leave the EU under one of two situations: a virtual embargo without a further trade agreement or as a minor, non-member client state with a trade agreement.” May is trying to negotiate the second. Either way the EU is looking to severely punish the UK for leaving as a warning to any other country who thinks about exiting.

[Cronos]

why dp you say that?

[Cronos]

THe EU states all but one, Germany, have their royal families living off the backs of the socialist serfs in their countries; these royals need to all be cut off and treated as any other citizen(s)

"all but one, Germany"??/

The supermajority do not have constitutional monarchs

[Cronos]

The United States had $686 billion in total (two ways) goods trade with the European Union during 2016, its largest Goods trade partner. Goods exports totaled $270 billion; Goods imports totaled $416 billion. ... The U.S. services trade surplus with the EU was $55 billion in 2016.

The EU is a large, but not irreplaceable chunk of the US's trade (and vice-versa). This is unlike China, which, if the US cuts them off, lose completely without the US feeling much pain.

That being said, Trump has a good negotiation position as he can basically walk away -- he has the reputation for doing that.

[Cronos]

Though the EU has also been good business for Britain - the Eu not the eurozone (two separate things)

Remember that Margaret Thatcher was looking forward to the development of the single market and was purposefully setting out an alternative vision to compete with that advanced by European federalists. She brought the UK into the common market as this no-tariff free trade zone reinvigorated British industry and services. Britain is part of a complex supply chain.

A British person to has the right to stay in any other EU country providing they have a valid UK passport.

the only requirement is that they register in the host country, have enough money to sustain themselves and have comprehensive health insurance.

A report by the Centre for Economics and Business Research, released in October 2015, suggested 3.1 million British jobs were linked to the UK’s exports to the EU.

The EU’s consumer rights ensure transparency from sellers themselves, and the quality and safety of their products.

A two-year guarantee on all products, and the introduction of a ceiling for roaming charges across member states, are just two examples of things the EU has done to improve the rights of its customers.

The cost of phone roaming in the EU is zero, and internet speeds are going up

According to 71% of all members of the Confederation of British Influence (CBI), and 67 per cent of small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), the EU has had an overall positive impact on their business.

The CBI estimates that the net benefit of EU membership is worth 4-5% of GDP to the UK, or £62bn-£78bn per year.

In 2014, the ONS reported that the EU, which is the world’s biggest economy, accounted for 44.6 per cent of all UK exports of goods and services, and 53.2 per cent of the UK’s imports of goods and services.

This is NOT to say the EU is perfect -- it's far, FAAAAR from it, but the UK was able to put in changes while being on the inside and to counter-balance the Franco-German axis

Brexit serves no one but Russia

[bert]

I have lost track of the big picture in all the Brexit clutter.

If the UK, PM, Parliment etc does nothing, does not the exit actually take place early in 2019? That is, Brexit takes place unless there is intervention between now and some date in the next year?

[Cronos]

Many European countries are NOT in the Euro

also the "putting mandates by unelected bureaucrats" is not quite correct. the bureaucrats can propose mandates based on (and only based on) inputs from nations. These proposed mandates go to the European Council (each nation gets a vote) and needs to pass unanimously.

The people of the EU are not in revolt. France is revolting (well they are :) ) because Macron wants to raise gas prices, while lowering taxes on the highest tax payers -- and most french depend on low gas prices in the countryside, as they have gotten used to it. Italy and Greece's problem si that they joined the eurozone when they were not ready. That's why poland, Czechia, Sweden etc. said no to the Euro.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"The people of the EU are not in revolt."

Germany is pretty unhappy with Angela Merkel. She's out as the head of her party but looks to be serving out her term a chancellor. Poland is fighting against all of the climate change initiatives. There is a lot of backlash across the EU over the middle eastern refugees. That's what the Brexit was all about. A lot of the nationalist type parties are gaining strength across Europe because of unchecked Middle Eastern migration.

[Cronos]

Basically the EU is telling the UK “your only real options are hard Brexit or no Brexit. Any other half-way house will be the worst of both worlds” — and that’s right. The UK should either leave completely or stay completely.

[Cronos]

The thing is that a half-way house is not possible or feasible to anyone.

[Cronos]

you are correct. When May triggered Article 50 in April 2017 she gave the UK 2 years to negotiate the exit terms with the EU. She basically sat on her hands, ran a disastrous election and did nothing much.

Parliament has the following options

1. accept her half-ass deal,
2. reject it meaning renegotiate -- which is not possible as there's too little time. the EU will say ok to extending article 50 by another 2 years, but that will be even worse uncertainty for the UK economy
3. reject it meaning no Brexit, i.e. take back the resignation letter (article 50)
4. reject it meaning hard Brexit - the UK is to be treated like South Korea in trade treaties with the EU

1 is not going to happen. 2 is dumb and could happen, but the UK economy will be gutted. 3 and 4 are the only real options. The UK needs to take a call -- all in or all out.

[Cronos]

Germany is unhappy with Angela but happy with the EU - they need and needed the EU to get re-entry to the human race after the holocaust

poland is fighting against the climate change initiatives related to coal only (as poland doesn't have any other good source of energy and doesn't want to import from Russia if it can help it)

There is a lot of backlash over the Middle eastern ECONOMIC MIGRANTS, but those nuts are heading to Germany and Sweden primarily.

the EU needs to change, but disbanding this so that all these tiny countries have to go out individually is not a good idea.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"the EU needs to change, but disbanding this so that all these tiny countries have to go out individually is not a good idea."

I agree. It needs to go back to it's original intent. Being a giant free trade zone/customs union. You are right about Germany needing the EU. The way it currently is set up, it mainly benefits Germany and France. As for the Eurozone, I think it should be scrapped.

On a side note, I will say that as a tourist, I like both the EU and the Eurozone! It's much better than in the old days of exchanging a bunch of money and having to go through customs everytime you go to another country. Right now, the only hassle is travelling to and from the UK. Heck, you don't even get your passport stamped in many of the countries I've travelled to over there. Just the initial stamp from the country when entering the EU.

[Cronos]

True. But there is a need for integration on rules etc. They went a step too far

The EU benefits france the most. Germany pays - that's the price for rehabilitation to the human race

I don't think the Eurozone is quite as useful anymore when you can use credit cards nearly everywhere on the continent, so no need for exchange.

though the stamp is only in the Schengen zone -- the UK and Ireland are not in the Schengen zone, and Switzerland and Norway which aren't in the EU are in the Schengen zone