Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 16 December 2018

Various driveby media television networks ^ | 16 December 2018 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[rodguy911]

Great Link thanks so much pug Mama .
Nunez always a great interviewee.
the FBI is just so corrupt you become speechless.
they need to just close the whole thing down and start over .
as for for Flynn you know I made a comment on at this morning what they’ve done to this guy is just a real sin.
first they tell him oh we just want to talk while they’re taping in a crazy and then they doing it unbelievable perjury trap and on and on and on and they bankrupt him threaten him you name it they did it to this guy.

[kabar]

That is why so many Republicans are not for amnesty, because making illegals legal means COC members have to pay a real wage, but the COC’s order to the GOPe is to do nothing and don’t do any legislation that would seriously stop illegal entries, but not give them total amnesty.

The CoC supports a blanket amnesty for all 12 to 22 million illegal aliens in this country and continued high legal immigration levels. A surplus of cheap labor, legal and illegal, drives down wages. If there was really a surplus of labor, wages would be going up, not stagnating or decreasing in inflation adjusted dollars since 1969. We continue to have low labor participation rates despite the reduction in unemployment rates and increased job creation. We have around 95 million working age Americans out of the workforce. BLS data:

Labor Participation rates 1980 thru 2018

I define amnesty as allowing the illegal aliens to stay and work here, the object of their crime. A path to citizenship is just the cherry on top.

If we don't curb legal immigration significantly, the result will be the same, i.e., the Dems will be the permanent majority party. There is too much focus on illegal immigration. The far bigger problem is legal immigration.

There have always been some smart Republicans who realize that illegal aliens, if given citizenship, will vote democrat, and that will be the end of their party. There are even some COC members, but only a small fraction of them, who realize that giving the democrats control of the government would mean massive tax and regulation increases, which will not only hurt the bottom line like amnesty, but perhaps ruin them completely.

Even most of the "smart Republicans" fail to understand that bringing in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year (35 million since 1990) will be the end of their party, at least as currently constituted. We have just had three of the four highest decades of legal immigration in our history. And by 2023 the percentage of foreign born will be the highest in our history. Immigrants and their US born children drive 80% of our population growth.

[rodguy911]

Thanks so much for explaining things so everybody is on board until we have a cap on a legal immigration we’re in bed trouble big trouble

[rodguy911]

Yeah and I know fishermen they caught one fish in 20 fishing trips problem is what about the other 19 trips

[rodguy911]

Weekly Standard is dead and dying good good riddance bill kristol is another big time loser another never Trumper so is Steve Hayes both big lizards glad to see them go

[Reily]

If it’s the right fish at the right time.
Not all fish are equal!

Does not make me a fan of her but she’s the best you’ll ever likely get out of Maine!

Too many Massholes live there now.

[rodguy911]

Yeah I’ve heard that before it’s a shame

[Alas Babylon!]

I define amnesty as allowing the illegal aliens to stay and work here, the object of their crime. A path to citizenship is just the cherry on top.

Fine, I won't split hairs with you.

However, for a lot of small COC members, like roofers, lawn care, pool cleaners, domestic maid services, etc., having them remain illegal means you have leverage over them. When they get too uppity for the business, they can threaten to call CBP on them. Works all the time.

These are the "Americans" who don't want amnesty, nor enforcement.

[DanZ]

Way too many Republicans are in office because they’re actually champions of the various local and state chamber of commerces. When their COC tells them jump they only ask “How high?”

In Texas we lost TWO GOPes, One in Houston, my very own Johnny "Cannot spend enough of the Taxpayers Money" Culberson, and a RINO is the Dallas area. RodGuy lost his RINO Cuban, and the Clinton's Dona Irish Shellela was defeated.

So all in all I looking forward to the Texas primaries in Eighteen Month.

In the meantime Trump needs to hold more Public meetings with the Commies running the U.S. House as this is great entertainment value

[Fishtalk]

The Sunday political talk shows 12/16/18

Below the FreeRepublic Sunday talk show thread link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3713218/posts?page=2

The major talking points of the day

But of course we must discuss Michael Cohen and how he never lies.

Much discussion of border and immigration issues.

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FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Former Republican Mayor of New York City and President Trump’s Attorney Rudy Giuliani; Bill Gates, co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and co-founder of Microsoft Corp. The panel will be Brit Hume, Juan Williams, Julie Pace of The Associated Press and Marc Short of the University of Virginia Miller Center of Public Affairs and former White House director of legislative affairs in the Trump Administration.

Highlight of Fox News Sunday:

Bill Gates of all people tells us like it is.

Link to Fox News Sunday Below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jax6r3YI5kg

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MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.; Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo.; Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif. The panel will be David Brody of CBN News and co-author of “The Faith of Donald J. Trump: A Spiritual Biography”; Eliana Johnson of Politico; Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post and MSNBC; and Katy Tur of NBC News and host of “MSNBC Live.”

Highlight of Meet the Press:

Schumer says the Democrats will straighten out health care despite that Judge’s ruling.

Link to Meet the Press show below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnAgnxp1mLY

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FACE THE NATION (CBS): White House senior adviser Stephen Miller; Davis, adviser to former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen; Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn.; Trevor Potter, president of Campaign Legal Center and former chairman of the Federal Election Commission; Paula Reid of CBS News. The panel will be Ben Domenech of The Federalist, Kelsey Snell of NPR, Margaret Talev of Bloomberg News and Edward Wong of The New York Times.

Highlight of Face the Nation

Scaramuchi discusses border walls. He still is one of the most handsome pundits out there.

Below the link to Face the Nation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyVfcNtzsj0

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THIS WEEK (ABC): Giuliani; Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine; Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. The panel will be Peter Baker of The New York Times and co-author of “Impeachment: An American History”; Molly Ball of Time; Roland Martin, host and managing editor for #RolandMartinUnfiltered and senior analyst for “The Tom Joyner Morning Show”; and Matt Schlapp, chair of the American Conservative Union.

Highlight of This Week with George Stephanopolous

Guiliani takes on Stephy and beats him to bits about campaign finance law

Link to This Week below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE-GaYU5sd4

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STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Collins; Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md. The panel will be Bakari Sellers, former Democratic South Carolina House member; Amanda Carpenter, author of “Gaslighting America: Why We Love It When Trump Lies to Us”; David Urban, former strategist, Donald J. Trump for President; and Jen Psaki, former Obama White House communications director.

Highlight of State of the Union

Susan Collins declares Trump ran a campaign when he had no experience. Evidently those politicos think we should not run for their precious positions unless we have experience.

Link to This Week below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bFuxUd4gK8

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SUNDAY MORNING FUTURES (FNC): Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif.; Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio; Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.; Michael Mukasey, former U.S. attorney general under President George W. Bush. The panel will be Steve Moore of the Heritage Foundation and Art Laffer, founder and chairman of Laffer Associates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4_jqQrFZgo

[bray]

Steponallofus is still running the Clinton War Room from NBC.

[rodguy911]

No doubt he acts like it

[kabar]

However, for a lot of small COC members, like roofers, lawn care, pool cleaners, domestic maid services, etc., having them remain illegal means you have leverage over them. When they get too uppity for the business, they can threaten to call CBP on them. Works all the time.

First, it is illegal to knowingly hire illegal aliens to work. Employers who do are subject to penalties under the law. Calling ICE can be a double edged sword for the employer.

Do you know who also uses this argument to support amnesty rather than object to it? The Dems, unions, and other open border types who lament the exploitation of the "undocumented." They want the "undocumented" legalized so they can be treated fairly as well as to be taxed on their earnings. Businesses, large and small, want a surplus of labor, legal or illegal. It depresses wages and increases the profit margin. Many businesses object to making mandatory the current voluntary e-verify system. They are joined by libertarians who believe in the free flow of labor, even across national boundaries. The UN is making migration a "right."

Business is joined by the Dems, religious, labor, and special interest groups in keeping the inexhaustible flow of cheap labor unimpeded. They also want to bring in skilled and educated labor to do jobs Americans can't do in addition to unskilled labor to do jobs Americans won't do. This is wiping out the middle class. It is why Trump's immigration and trade policies represent such an existential threat to the current system that involves trillions of dollars.

These are the "Americans" who don't want amnesty, nor enforcement.

There are millions of Americans like me who don't want amnesty, which would destroy this country with the stroke of a pen. It was estimated that just providing amnesty to 12 million illegal aliens would cost $6.3 trillion and result in 66 million more legal immigrants joining them as part of chain migration, i.e., family reunification. And it would just hasten the process of making the Dems the permanent majority party. Even if all illegal immigration were stopped today, keeping the status quo on legal immigration will make the Dems the permanent majority party within a decade.

[central_va]

They also want to bring in skilled and educated labor to do jobs Americans can't do

I find what you said offensiveness, a form of hate speech. There is no job Americans can't do. It's all about wage suppression.

[kabar]

Give me a break. Don’t you understand sarcasm? First, the open borders types told us that we needed all these immigrants,I legal and illegal, to do jobs Americans didn’t want to do. Now they are telling us they need immigrants to do jobs Americans can’t do. Never mind we produce more STEM workers every year than there are STEM jobs. Dems and RINOs want to increase the number of H1B visas. Cruz wanted to triple the number.

Of course it is about cheaper labor both skilled and unskilled, legal and illegal.

[rodguy911]

Not everyone gets it. You have seen first hand what govt. does and how they do it few have your experience. Some just run off at the mouth.You remain the voice of wisdom,thanks again for the post.

[9YearLurker]

There is something of a truth to both your views.

Bringing in global talent is somewhat about wage suppression, which does help to make our tech companies as competitive as they are globally.

Higher wages would improve the pool of available American tech professionals.

But not everyone who has some sort of STEM degree is trained or talented for many of these positions. Sure, there are a lot of caretaker tech roles on the enterprise side, but for tech vendors, you need genuinely talented people for many of their positions in order for them to build competitive products.

The imported tech workers are, like the Americans, a combination of great, good, and marginal in training and, most critically, talent. The great ones tend to be very, very good and often they go on to co-found the next generation of successful companies, too.

[central_va]

Sell out.

[9YearLurker]

Nope. I’d kick the 30 million illegals in the country now all home. All of them.

Just stating some simple truths about the tech labor market. That doesn’t mean we should keep importing even the best out there. I’d be okay with a decade or so moratorium on all immigration—and for a sense of national fairness, limiting the top talent during that time may be necessary as well.

But to pretend that the top tech talent from India is no better for a lot of critical developer positions than the bottom 20% of our STEM-degreed locals is just wrong. IQ i real and it matters.

[central_va]

Just stating some simple truths about the tech labor market.

A lot of IT jobs and high IQ Americans are turned off by the sell globalists. They don't want to go into IT because of what the greedy globalist sell outs have done to the IT industry. But you wouldn't know that would you.