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--surprising from Chapman, who can be both sides of the gun issue--
1 posted on 12/16/2018 7:05:58 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

It might not be a valid assumption that if a gun wasn’t available, the individual would just have used another method...but I’d venture to say it will be true much of the time.


2 posted on 12/16/2018 7:10:20 AM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: rellimpank

“Gun deaths”
I didn’t know guns could die.


3 posted on 12/16/2018 7:12:40 AM PST by I want the USA back (There are two sexes: male (pronoun HE), and female (pronoun SHE). Denial of this is insanity.)
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The left creates disaster and blames everything on their enemies. Drug addiction, mental illness, random violence, earthquakes, even the weather. It’s actually kind of brilliant if you think about. It depends on human stupidity, which can never can be under estimated .


6 posted on 12/16/2018 7:22:15 AM PST by Spok
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To: rellimpank

So how many people are killed by automobiles and trains and such. How many people are killed by drugs and by medical prescriptions? This guy is drawing conclusions from a small sector of the problem.


9 posted on 12/16/2018 7:24:54 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: rellimpank

Back in 50’s and 60’s, garden hose and an exhaust pipe on the car was the go to way.


12 posted on 12/16/2018 7:29:01 AM PST by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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How many were killed by other objects? By MALPRACTICE? Many Intractable Pain Patients are chosing Suicide now that the Feds and states have taken pain meds away.

Street Junkies NOT RULE! To H with the sick and crippled. HITLER would approve.


13 posted on 12/16/2018 7:29:51 AM PST by GailA (Wife of RET. SCPO, GET OVER IT, DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT!)
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That’s about 3% of the number of abortions

As well as the same % of those dying from homosexual-origin AIDS and related causes


14 posted on 12/16/2018 7:30:18 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat ("Mods/Indies/Dems/Non-voters" JOBS or MOBS? Are CRAZY DIMS REALLY who you want BACK in POWER?)
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To: rellimpank

CDC did the same thing with accidental OD’s lumped patients in with Junkies. Then Lied about the number of scripts being written.


15 posted on 12/16/2018 7:31:44 AM PST by GailA (Wife of RET. SCPO, GET OVER IT, DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT!)
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To: rellimpank
Would you feel any better little girl if they was pushed out of windows?


16 posted on 12/16/2018 7:32:16 AM PST by DoodleBob
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To: rellimpank

There was a time when Steve Chapman was sane, and made sense, although it’s been a long time.


17 posted on 12/16/2018 7:34:11 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Break it off in 'em, Brett. They've earned it, and you've earned it.)
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The increase in Suicides is 3.9% due to Intractable Pain patients being cut off pain meds. While Street Junkies are now the preferred creatures to over $8.5 Billion, that does not count the money in things like the Farm Bill or other spending bills that is hidden.


18 posted on 12/16/2018 7:34:45 AM PST by GailA (Wife of RET. SCPO, GET OVER IT, DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT!)
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“Gun deaths in US reach highest level in nearly 40 years,...”

And the 1968 Gun Control Law, which was supposed to stop this, was passed fifty years ago. What Happened!

Strange. The page with Johnson’s remarks on signing the bill into law has disappeared from the Internet.


20 posted on 12/16/2018 7:35:24 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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The simple explanation for rising suicide rates is our aging population. Years ago Time magazine did a major piece on “Death by Gun” during a set period; I read the back story on each death, tabulated the results, and analyzed them. Of course, Time had an anti-gun spin. Then as now, the majority were suicides. Of those, 95% were elderly men, with major health problems of their own or of their spouse. In many cases, elderly men killed their terminally ill wives, and then themselves. Next most numerous were what appeared to be criminals, shot by each other, by their intended victims, by the police, by gang rivals. Lots of girlfriends, wives, and exes are murdered. Some general murders, and victims shot during robberies. A few supposed accidents and the odd hired killing.


21 posted on 12/16/2018 7:44:48 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: rellimpank
According to the FBI, there were 15,070 homicides in 2016, of which 11,004 utilized a firearm, 11,004 isn't even nearly half.

I have a problem conflating people who don't want to die (murder victims) with people who want to die (suicides).

Japan has essentially no guns in civilian hands, and has a higher suicide rate than the US.

25 posted on 12/16/2018 8:14:56 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Every nation gets the government it deserves." -Joseph de Maistre)
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Removing the suicide numbers, if the number of “gun deaths” is 90-95% criminals and gang bangers killing each other, I have no problem with it. But I have a feeling that 90-95% includes more than just a few innocents.


27 posted on 12/16/2018 8:44:34 AM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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p>I live next to a big railroad bridge. My first wife’s father helped build it. Over the years there have been a few suicides who jumped from it. All men, so far as I know, but no other common factors. I’m not suicidal, but if I were, that would probably be my choice.


31 posted on 12/16/2018 2:12:17 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF)
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