Posted on 12/24/2018 4:25:26 AM PST by familyop
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>> “ But there would be evidence of superheated plasma” <<
There have been many videos of plasma trails during the CA fires posted to youtube, but they seem to get taken down quickly.
The aerial photography of the post fire scenes show houses burned out but sheds next to the house remaining in several places.
And cars in the middle of a parking lot totally burned with wheels melted, which would be impossible from flying embers.
Is this the same James Zumwalt involved in a divorce scandal in Virginia that ended in the murder of John Kowalczyk in the 1990s (no, he didn't do it). When ID did a story on the case, they changed Zumwalt's name.
Because rocks are in the vicinity or behind or beneath practically everything.
As for the cars burning and the wheels melting, that happens usually on the downwind side of the car. Here's one partly melted wheel in a parking garage in Chicago: 
One thing lacking in your explanation is how a directed energy weapon melts wheels. It would take a lot of weapon time on target to do that, as opposed to just lighting the car on fire and moving on.
In order to melt the wheel, then melt the next wheel, then the engine, then the next car, etc there would need to be a continuous 2.5MW like the diesel generator shown. Weighs about 50 tons.
in “the Middle East, the best way to deal with the various bastards there...”
I am a fan of the old CIA approach - install their worst enemy into power, and let him ride them hard.
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No, in every case shown so far it has been all 4 wheels.
And not just a little melt, but a puddle where the wheel once was. Sometimes running across the street for several feet.
In addition, both aluminum and magnesium ignite very close to their melting point. Aluminum often vaporizes.
I can weld with very little power.
Just plug into a standard 20 amp circuit,
I’ve seen pix with two wheels melted (downwind wheels). As for your welding with 20 amps times 120 volts (2.4kW), how much power will you need to completely melt a wheel in one second? Or even 10 seconds? It’s not remotely plausible for a DEW to spend 10 seconds melting each wheel. Even one second is generous The energy needed to melt a wheel in one second is enormous, 1000 times more than your welding rig.
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No video shows a wheel melting in one second.
The ones that show a house being targeted show the beam static for about 30 seconds over a vent pipe.
I don’t think I’ve seen one where they target a wheel.
Welding with 050 wire progresses about 8 seconds per inch more or less. It depends on the thickness of the work mostly.
How does a plane hold a beam for 30 seconds? Planes don't hover. Also that's 83 hours to destroy 10,000 homes. Too long to be feasible.
If the beam is wide enough to melt more than one wheel at once pthen they would need much more than that 2.5MW generator, beyond the payload capacity of any airplane.
Your welding rig appies current directly to the metal. The DEW requires RF or high frequencies like x-rays to transfer the energy and I assumed no losses. Welding hs no losses. Beams have losses.
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The beam is easily aimed with two swivel heads.
They are likely held constant digitally.
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X-ray lasers have far less losses than wire cables.
(but everything has losses)
My infra red laser EDMs shoot miles with hundredths of a watt of power.
My infra red laser EDMs shoot miles with hundredths of a watt of power.
Sure but it doesn't cut anything without 1000 Watts. The losses are mostly generating the beam, efficiency is typically less than 50%. My energy issue is not whether you can cut some steel or start a fire with your laser, I have no doubt you can do that. The issue is whether you can melt a wheel with a laser. You cannot without 250kW (times two because of losses) with time on target of 10 seconds. If you only have one second on target then you need a 5MW power supply. Not possible except with a giant transport aircraft.
The "evidence" of melted wheels does not support DEW. Not enough energy.
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The videos don’t show what the aircraft is doing, but in most cases the plasma track is visible for several seconds.
One of them that was shown on the local news showed a plasma track that had to be 1500 feet tall, and the idiots called it a “fire tornado.” (Tornados are cold core phenomina.)
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Is the plasma track visible for "several seconds", not 30? How many seconds? If you want to start a fire, then one or a few seconds is perfectly adequate with the output from a kW scale power source. But if you want to melt metal you need MW power, or lots of time on target. Melted metal is not evidence of beam weapons,. The firenado is not evidence either, it is simply a fire whirl, well understood for decades: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=13095096689738521867&hl=en&as_sdt=0,47
And back when Hussein was president, he negotiated away a lot of our advantages anyway, that’s just more reason to go. While we’re at it, let’s get out of another worthless conflict: Afghanistan. Our current military leaders, including former-SecDef Mattis, got their first star while the Afghan conflict was just starting. They’ve become emotionally attached to having a war there and can’t give it up on their own, they’re going to have to be forced out and they’ll kick and scream the whole way. They’re worse than an engineer (I am an engineer) who gets emotionally attached to an engineering project and can’t let it go when every sign points to it being a bad idea that shouldn’t be implemented.
Sure.
Anybody that thinks the fires were started by military aircraft firing laser or particle beams are living in fantasy land. Let me get this straight: when a two-engine prop airliner is stolen up in Vancouver, WA by a goof non-pilot airline-worker, military F-15s are scrambled and are on the scene fast enough to witness the crash. The time from him taxiing to crash is like 8 minutes. But California, a state that is chock full of military bases with alert F-15s and F-16s, completely missed aircraft the size of the Hindenburg starting fires with their super-secret death-ray. I think we’ve hijacked the thread enough with this crap.
All I am saying is you need 2.5 MW to melt an aluminum wheel in one second, without any losses generating the beam. Now that I have read a little more, I now believe you will need about 5MW to generate the beam. If all four wheels end up melted it means you had to spend 4 seconds on that car. If you think all four wheels can be melted at the same time then you need many times more than the 5 MW generator. A 2.5 MW generator weighs 50 tons.
It is possible that along with DEWs the military also has miniaturized nuclear generators. If true, that's great because from here on we will win every encounter with a enemy tank, plane or ship. Alternatively if they developed them just to kill civilians, in which case we'll post a new thread to discuss.
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So far, as far as I know nobody but you has said anything about how long it took to melt the wheel.
I don’t tangle with other people’s assumptions.
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