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Trump unloads on James Mattis, says he 'essentially' fired defense secretary
MSN News ^ | 1/2/2019 | Steven Nelson

Posted on 01/02/2019 11:56:25 AM PST by detective

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To: marron
“He made his reputation as a battle-field general, and he will always have that.”

Mattis reportedly said some time back about combat that he enjoyed shooting people and enjoyed fighting.

I have talked with family members that were in combat and that I respect. Never heard a real combat veteran say to me that he enjoyed fighting or shooting people.

For one thing, sustained combat usually means buddies will be injured or killed even if you are not.

I'm not sure what to make of the Mattis boast.

41 posted on 01/02/2019 12:29:26 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: marron
That was extremely stupid of Mattis, sounded like he supports the invasion.

Incidentally, he was apparently conned big time in the Theranos scandal. IIRC, he lavishly praised the ethics and maturity of Elizabeth Holmes. (in the book "Bad Blood")

42 posted on 01/02/2019 12:29:35 PM PST by Jane Austen (Neo-cons are liberal Democrats who love illegal aliens and war.)
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To: Mr. K

“Afghanistan” has an army with many soldiers having almost 15 years of combat experience.

It is my understanding that Mattis wanted the US to help fund these soldiers.

Afghanistan doesn’t have the tax base to support its military needs.


43 posted on 01/02/2019 12:31:25 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: gibsonguy

Plus his open defiance of his CIC with the tranny’s and being against using troops to defend our own border. He liked to talk big but at the end of the day a rat is a rat.


I believe Trump hired these generals because he genuinely believed they were patriots. Unfortunately, they are self interested careerists more worried about their next corporate board gig than battling rampaging Demofascists.


44 posted on 01/02/2019 12:31:33 PM PST by lodi90
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To: wny

by the end of the year Trump will be fondling steel ball-bearings and mumbling about missing strawberries...


“What tow line?”..


45 posted on 01/02/2019 12:31:42 PM PST by AFret.
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To: max americana

Yep, he made a career out of shilling for DemonRats. In the military, he made colonel under Bubba Klinton and has been a shoe-shiner to progressives ever since. Bush was reasonably conservative from 2001-2004 but was soon turned. Mattis talks a good game but he’s a leftist shill.


46 posted on 01/02/2019 12:31:47 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

The entire Middle East has only one (1) thing of strategic value to the United States.

Oil.

Since we are now close to energy independence, we should let the Arab countries regress to the era from whence they came prior to the development of the region’s oil.

The Stone Age.

Ragheads have been fighting each other since Old Testament times. They’ll still be fighting a thousand years from now.


47 posted on 01/02/2019 12:34:07 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: wny

by the end of the year Trump will be fondling steel ball-bearings and mumbling about missing strawberries...


And by the end of next year Democrat Dog Mattis will be on the Democrat ticket and being cheered by his slavish “conservative” fan club.


48 posted on 01/02/2019 12:35:21 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Brian Griffin

Others should be thanked for giving things a good try.


Absolutely. From your link: After retiring from the military, he served in several private sector roles, including as a board member of [Silicon Valley scam] Theranos.

Paris, Pro Iran Deal, Theranos, trannies in the military, etc. Mattis sure keeps good Democrat company.


49 posted on 01/02/2019 12:38:05 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yep. As a military careerist, Mattis is well-versed in working the boss. Too bad for him Trump is not a typical boss.


50 posted on 01/02/2019 12:40:08 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: detective
Mattis is a very good operational-level battlefield general. That is all.

He is not a strategic general, although he certainly has played that part. It is ironic he runs into the same problems that Roman generals ran into, and he reads extensively from Marcus Aureilius: He fails to distill into one sentence, what must be achieved in every strategic line of operation, in order to decisively win.

He sometimes fails at the operational level in achieving this. He's in good company. Chrystal could'nt do it. Petraeus couldn't do it. Dunford couldn't do it. Votel couldn't do it. And many others.

There is one general who can. His name is Kenneth McKennie Jr.

51 posted on 01/02/2019 12:42:18 PM PST by Salvavida
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Yep, he made a career out of shilling for DemonRats. In the military, he made colonel under Bubba Klinton and has been a shoe-shiner to progressives ever since. Bush was reasonably conservative from 2001-2004 but was soon turned. Mattis talks a good game but he’s a leftist shill.


Marines seem to be loyal to their branch of service above all else. Historically that has been drilled into them from the beginning due to the small size of the Marine Corps.

It’s obvious Trump’s Marine generals have decided being too closely attached to POTUS is not good for the long term of the Corps. I’m getting a little bit of a cultish feel here from Mattis’s defenders in their defense of Democrat enabling Mattis. Not good.


52 posted on 01/02/2019 12:44:12 PM PST by lodi90
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To: jyo19

Yep. Anything we might’ve had in Syria was negotiated away by Buttcrack Hussein. 3-4 years ago, the generals running Afghanistan really blew their own horn when stating that we’re almost halfway to our objectives there (whatever those are, nobody has ever told us). Afghanistan is a joke, get us out of there yesterday.


53 posted on 01/02/2019 12:45:01 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Salvavida

He is not a strategic general, although he certainly has played that part.


Disagree He’s being very strategic here. POTUS is a short timer. The Democrat party and the swamp is forever. Too closely aligning with Trump guarantees enormous payback from the Demofascists come budget time.


54 posted on 01/02/2019 12:46:20 PM PST by lodi90
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To: aquila48

“Let’s face it, as much as we like him, we have to admit that Trump’s early appointments have been disasters.”

I would not say they were disasters.

Except perhaps Sessions as AG.

President Trump was not a career politician. He did not know most of the Washington insiders.

Trump tried to work with leading Republicans to fill the positions within his administration. These people did not help him.

The people they recommended were Washington insiders who did not have the best interests of the president or the American people in mind. Many have been disloyal to the president.

But we are now in an internal civil war. President Trump is surrounded by people whose only goal is to destroy him.

President Lincoln appointed many ineffective generals in the beginning of the Civil War but learned from the experience and eventually appointed Grant and Sherman. President Lincoln appointed corrupt, incompetent and even treasonous government officials but learned from the experience.

President Trump is learning and has made many great decisions during his presidency despite being continually sabotaged.


55 posted on 01/02/2019 12:50:12 PM PST by detective
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To: detective

Great perspective and post


56 posted on 01/02/2019 12:52:47 PM PST by patriotspride
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

I remember learning this lesson in Kindergarten when the whole class was setting in a circle and the teacher whispered a word into one kids ear and it was whispered around the circle and was no where near what it started out to be when the 4th or 5th person relayed it.

Journalists today use this technique for hot tips.


57 posted on 01/02/2019 12:55:26 PM PST by Delta 21
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To: detective

Would you care to explain this deeper understanding?

I’m probably quite incorrect, but I took it as hollyweird Vietnam era authority-bashing. Your bosses are crazy, disobey them, kind of like MASH, but pretending to be more serious.

As for Mattis, it’s sad when a general is more beholden to the new world order than defense of the nation against enemies foreign and domestic.


58 posted on 01/02/2019 12:57:31 PM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: sphinx

“Trump has an addiction to pettiness. Mattis is gone. Drop it. Move on. Trump does himself no good by getting into spitting matches with ex-subordinates. He gets into spitting matches with current subordinates as well, which is even worse.”

President Trump has been nothing but gracious to General Mattis. Mattis knifed president Trump in the back.

The article is based on an anonymous report of a private meeting by a Bloomberg News journalist, who repeated an alleged quote previously repeated by a colleague who was supposedly in the room when it was said.

Trump tried to keep it private and publicly praised Mattis.

Trump was not being petty. The media is.


59 posted on 01/02/2019 12:58:43 PM PST by detective
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To: sphinx

Bosses should support their subordinates — Trump must have missed the downward loyalty lecture at Wharton —


Breathtaking statement given the rank disloyalty and even treasonous behavior of many of those careerists “serving” POTUS.


60 posted on 01/02/2019 1:00:08 PM PST by lodi90
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