Posted on 01/28/2019 1:08:22 PM PST by AT7Saluki
To Republicans, not allowing religious houses to arm themselves is like leaving them as lambs to a potential slaughter. But for Democrats, lifting the ban would mean putting worshippers at risk of themselves.
But Democrats saw it in a different light... "We are saying with this bill, we no longer trust in God," Virginia Democratic Sen. Lionell Spruill said. "We ... foolishly took prayer out of schools ... and now we want to take God out of church. If there's anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church. Let's depend on God on this one. Let's not take God out of church."
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Churches already allow guns in Virginia. Police have them.
It’s a matter of who is allowed to have a gun in church.
Quakers were like that and to this day there still are Quakers.
It needs to be hammered out in each church. It would be easier and more logical to go down the pacifist road if its advocates were not for heavy government domination of other things.
Lionell. Bubba. God gave us the guns so we can protect ourselves in church. TRUST ME.
When it comes to most rational ideas, like allowing guns in church, democrats, liberals, progressives, etc., are fools. Jesus told Peter to bring a sword (the gun of their time). Fools, I tell you, very foolish fools.
If Virginia allows concealed carry, what is the problem? If a church welcomes people who carry....case closed.
Government shouldn’t be arm twisted into setting church policies. This is something that churches should be allowed to hammer out for themselves, whether pacifist or bristling with weapons.
EVERY church should have armed security. There are a lot of insane leftists out there.
Is it a lack of faith in God to own a fire extinguisher? Or to wear your seatbelt? Absolutely not.
If there’s anywhere you can trust God, it should be the church.
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I trust God, it’s the nutcases that I don’t trust.
Some of them are targeting churches.
This person is nuts.
Peter was anxious, and this was Jesus’ concession to Peter. Events proved that Mr. Braggadocio chopped off the centurion’s ear, which Jesus hinted was not a good idea for the sake of the gospel.
It should be completely up to the churches as to what is or is not allowed within their establishments.
If Virginia allows concealed carry, what is the problem? If a church welcomes people who carry....case closed.
That’s the idea — it ought to be a local church policy decision, for good or for ill.
Be that as it may, I have distinct sympathy towards the supernaturalist view.
So I am to take it that Lionel Spruill does not lock his door at night and trusts God to keep him and his family safe.
My uncle concealed carry every day of his life until he died at age 91. He never had a permit and he traveled to almost all the states.
It’s always possible.
For about three years I was with a church in Omaha where the pastor had been stalked by a weird person, and Nebraska has church choice on arms bearing. Anyhow, they chose to institute guards. As the band pianist, I kidded about keeping a rifle under the piano (didn’t actually do it though).
We never had a stalker incident. However something weird happened when I moved from Nebraska to Florida. A petty dispute arose about an agreement to help me clean up my apartment, and the pastor not only berated me that the situation was worse than he imagined but also declared that I wouldn’t “destroy him.” And he proposed doing something unbiblical. Whoa... things didn’t have to get all drama queen like that. I was heartbroken at first to part like that, but later thought the good Lord was looking out for me.
I am just meaning to suggest that there may be deeper factors afoot in a church that has a penchant for going armed — it’s seldom if ever that something untoward happens literally out of the blue for no ultimate reason. Christ is real, and generally will protect His own unless it is for a martyrdom.
But as far as secular policy — keep governments out of it.
It won’t happen, ‘RAT Gov Northam will veto.
The law strikes at religious liberty. The state should not decide if it allows guns in churches. Churches should. Treating Churches more restrictively than other private property is wrong.
In the early colonies, people were sometimes required to be armed at church. In "Origins and Development of the Second Amendment", I found a reference to colonial requirements to carry guns in church from the Virginia laws of arms bearing.
All men that are fitting to bear arms, shall bring their pieces to the church...The law dated to 1631. David Hardy found it in the 1823 work by William Henning, "The Statutes at large, being a collection of all the laws of Virginia, Vol. 1 at 127, 173-174."
Nobody says anything where I fellowship. But the majority do carry. As that great philosopher once said: “I pity the fool that tries anything”
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