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To: sukhoi-30mki

Carriers are sitting ducks. They replaced battleships as the Flagship of the fleet (and rightly so for WW 2 and the early Cold War) They in turn need to be replaced as flagships by subs. Both hunter killers and boomers.

For police actions like the gulf war et al they are fine. If We fight China or Russia? Carriers will be the first to go. (That includes China’s fancy new carriers).


4 posted on 02/05/2019 5:11:29 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you .)
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To: Vaquero
Carriers are sitting ducks

You agree then that we need to sink our carrier fleet now. Why wait?

7 posted on 02/05/2019 5:15:02 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Vaquero

The fact is that all surface capital ships are obsolete floating coffins. Brave young crews sent to watery graves by “battleship”, politically correct admirals.


9 posted on 02/05/2019 5:22:16 AM PST by allendale (.)
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To: Vaquero
They in turn need to be replaced as flagships by subs.

There is a saying amongst submariners in the US Navy;
"There are only two kinds of vessels at sea. Submarines and targets."

14 posted on 02/05/2019 5:49:27 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Atrophy of science is visible when the spokesman goes from Einstein to Sagan to Neil Degrasse Tyson.)
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To: Vaquero

With the advant of guided shells and artillery range of 100 miles, the battle ship might make a comeback.


15 posted on 02/05/2019 5:54:58 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Vaquero

There was a project for a sub carrying jump jets. I think that would he awesome


16 posted on 02/05/2019 5:57:06 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Vaquero

China’s current carriers are obsolete at best and lean more toward the antique category. Their plane can only mange short flight with only a few missiles or bombs due to the ski ramp configuration and are mostly good only for carrier defense. In any conflict they will be of little use.

Under construction are a flat deck carrier and an EMALs carrier. These will could be real threats. Also reportedly the Chinese have solved the EMALs launch rate problems (we have not, nor the EM elevator problems on the USS Ford); they have also fielding a ship with a rail gun mounted. Have they really solved those problems? Who knows? Espionage goes only one way with the Chinese.

Subs cannot gain air superiority - a necessity in any conflict just as territory cannot be held without soldiers on the ground.

Drones are currently pretty much of a joke as far as combat goes. They just are not as capable as the movies would have people think.

Given the Dong Feng (DF-5)and other missile systems, do you really imaging that if they were all the Chinese would like you to believe, we would still be buying more multi-billon dollar carriers?


30 posted on 02/05/2019 2:33:19 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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