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To: kabar
Your posts are a mess. You keep showing "today" stats, with nothing for comparison to previous years when the welfare state was less pervasive. They may be impressive (to you), but they're useless.

We had mass immigration to the US long before the welfare state.

Depend on what you mean by the welfare state. The real "mass immigration" began in the early '60s, LBJ's communist "War on Poverty" began in the mid-late '60s. You can't call that "long before". In fact, it's the other way around. As you admit, the fascist Roosevelt began the modern welfare state with "Social Security", and public works programs, and massive farm subsidies, and government food distribution programs, long before massive uncontrolled immigration began in the early '60s. So once again, you have the order backwards.

Women should not be allowed to vote?

No. More to the point, people who aren't paying for the government shouldn't be voting on how the government spends the money taken from them to fund it. The universal franchise is an unmitigated disaster ... and don't try to pretend that the current bloated, unconstitutional welfare state isn't part of the disaster. Don't try to pretend that it isn't perpetuated by politicians pandering to the desires of those who pay no taxes. These are, of course, separate issues from that of the welfare state subsidizing the destruction of the family.

89 posted on 02/12/2019 6:00:30 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain
Your posts are a mess. You keep showing "today" stats, with nothing for comparison to previous years when the welfare state was less pervasive. They may be impressive (to you), but they're useless.

Pure gibberish. What "stats" are you talking about? You seem to have an aversion to facts. You would rather deal in baseless assertions.

Depend on what you mean by the welfare state. The real "mass immigration" began in the early '60s, LBJ's communist "War on Poverty" began in the mid-late '60s. You can't call that "long before".

Nonsense. The last three decades have been three of the four highest (in terms of numbers) in our history. Bush 41 doubled the immigration cap to over a million. But we had huge numbers in the early 20th century. In terms of numbers, the decade ending in 1910 was the third highest in terms of numbers and compared to our population at the time, a higher percentage than recent decades.

In terms of the percentage of foreign born compared to our total population, we are heading towards record numbers comparable to 1910. Here are some more "stats" for you:

As you admit, the fascist Roosevelt began the modern welfare state with "Social Security", and public works programs, and massive farm subsidies, and government food distribution programs, long before massive uncontrolled immigration began in the early '60s. So once again, you have the order backwards.

What the Hell are you talking about? What is backwards? In fact, one of the major influences on moving our country left was the arrival of large numbers of Eastern Europeans in the 1900s. They brought socialism with them and populated our universities. Ever hear of Eugene Debs?

No. More to the point, people who aren't paying for the government shouldn't be voting on how the government spends the money taken from them to fund it. The universal franchise is an unmitigated disaster

Means tested voting? What about the draft? Should be people be forced in to the military if they aren't taxpayers? You are madder than a March hare. Have a good day.


90 posted on 02/12/2019 7:14:42 PM PST by kabar
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