Posted on 02/13/2019 11:16:19 AM PST by rktman
"The truth of the matter is weapons like the AR-15 have an effective range of over 1,500 meters," Hogg said. "If you're using a weapon with an effective range of over 1,500 meters, you are not defending yourself. You are hunting a human being."
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Just a simple question. I doubt the average Infantry type fired at the enemy past 100 meters as combat was up and close.
Who the heck said you did?
Both rounds are fairly recent developments and the AR platform has improved vastly since then.
What does this thread even have to do with Vietnam, other than you seemingly want to hijack it to reminisce and brag about being Special Forces.
Just don’t tell him what we can do with the new AR-20’s
This explains the millions of Americans killed by rifle fire every year. /s
LOL! Just sayin’ anyone can hit “something” out to 450. I probably couldn’t tell you who or what out that far with my eyesight but “something” would be hit. Dirt, barn roof, tree, blade of grass but something.
Or old AR-10s. Good for 2,000 meters? :-)
Thus the core of the problem. Hoggy is a product of new math or common core math that takes all thinking out of problems. 1,500 yards is almost a mile and not many folks no matter how many carrots they eat can focus on a non moving human size ground target at that distance.
As one of the average 'Infantry type', in the paddies ranges could easily exceed hundreds of yards. Didn't mean you could hit it with an M16, but that's what the M60 pigs were for along with the platoons snipers with scoped M14's. Dense jungle of course was a spray and pray and squad leaders 12gauge environment.
You must have been in IV Corps or III Corps or on the coast. The western border of II Corps up to the Tri border area was not paddies. Try rolling hills, thick brush/wait a minute vines with bamboo vipers, swamps in between VC/NVA basecamps, mountains west of Duc Lap to the Ia Drang valley and west. Sometimes NVA would ride elephants directing VC. Squad leaders carrying shotguns is idiotic. You must have been in a leg unit. A shotgun with double ought buck is not going where you stated.
“You are hunting a human being.”
Only if they need killin’
My intent was not to be disrespectful, as you served in real combat. My yards liked the M79 for both the HE round and the double ought buck cannister rounds. These yards knew the terrain and where the enemy would be. Sadly only one Montagnard in my company made it out alive. He is in Charlotte, NC. One platoon was wiped out on the COSVN Raid on 24 Apr. 69. I was the asst. S-3 then, but; those yards are like brothers.
This really stupid little twit does not understand that the ‘right to bear arms’ is not about defense, or about target shooting, or gun competitions, or about gun collections, etc., etc., etc.
It is really about our ability to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government, as we are seeing in Venezuela.
Early on in Hugo Chavez’s career the people of that country voluntarily voted to confiscate their guns, which they now greatly regret.
So Hogg. the second amendment to the constitution is for our protection against idiots like you.
Yes, it is sad as you will never have friends like those you were in combat with. They are friends for life. My Col. was best man at our marriage in Vegas. All my NCO and officer friends treated my wife like a queen. She said-”They treated me better then my own family.” Most are dead now. I hope to go to Vegas one more time to see them this year.
that should have been self defense
That is precisely why we need them. They are not for hunting but for eliminating enemies of our constitutional republic. Our founding fathers were much smarter than the left gives them credit for being.
Never thought much of the difference in terrain. I had a teacher in Jr. High that would show us slides and tell stories. A lot of the photos were of them walking through the rice paddies. Getting on the choppers every morning, etc. “It was like getting on a commuter van to go to work every day.”
I have a client (Mike) that is a nice, quiet, smart guy. Walking through the woods at a site, and we are all hacking away at the blackberries and brush trying to get up the hill. The associate was swearing up and down “Like GD F-ing Vietnam huh Mike!?”
Mike is a tall lanky guy, swinging the machette with ease and getting up the hill easier than me who is 15 years younger.
The other guy is still yapping “... F-ing vines, GD sweating like a pig. Well at least nobody is F-ing shooting at us!”
“Oh you guys were in Vietnam?”
“Yeah - I was just a grunt, but Mike was a F-ing GD Ranger. Up there in the GD hills, all alone with his band of Montaunyards.”
I thanked them for their service, and Mike said “Well thanks, but that was a long, long time ago.”
Reading up more on the Rangers after that job, pretty amazing to think what my mild-mannered client probably had gone through.
Thanks to all our vets for your service. (Leading a charge on elephant? That would get one’s attention!)
Didn’t you hear? They’ve created a new major for Hogg. . . Progressive Hyperbolic Dissension Studies where he will be awarded an honorary PhD from the Social Humanist Institute of Telecommunications, where he won’t have to study anything as a recognized and groundbreaking genius in the field. He’ll be a piled higher and deeper (P.H.D.) PHDS PhD of S.H.I.T.
With my declining eyesight, I can make 200 meters with my AR-15 shooting ptone with the peep sites. I can’t do that consistently though.
The NVA on 3-4 elephants was very unusual. It happened to my friend who was 1st Company CO. I had 2nd. He had quite a few wounded yards, and; he stated not one bullet they fired would stop or even penetrate the elephants. That was when we had carbines and old A6 machine guns. The next month we got M60’s, M16’s, LAW’s, etc. I was in that area later, saw several elephants, but no NVA riding them or leading VC. His top NCO took his extension leave, and; he came back with a large caliber lever action rifle.
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