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India Reportedly Looks To Buy Unfinished Soviet-Era MiG-29s To Stave Off Fighter Shortage
The Drive ^ | February 13, 2019 | Joseph Trevithick

Posted on 02/13/2019 6:55:42 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Facing a steady decline in available fighter jets, the Indian Air Force is now reportedly in talks to buy 21 unfinished Soviet-era MiG-29 Fulcrums from Russia and have them completed in a modernized configuration. The proposed deal comes as India continues to struggle with a host of other fighter jet procurement efforts, most notably a more than decade long effort to purchase of more than a hundred new fighter jets, which is now effectively in its third incarnation.

The Times of India was first to report on the possible acquisition of the MiG-29 hulks, which date to the late 1980s and have apparently been in storage since at least around the fall of the Soviet Union. India received around 70 early model MiG-29s from Russia between 1986 and 1990, of which around 62 remain in service.

Since the early 2010s, Indian aerospace contractor Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), in cooperation with MiG in Russia, has upgraded about half of these two the MiG-29UPG standard, with Russian assistance. The UPG variant is similar to the Russian modernized MiG-29SMT, featuring the Zhuk-ME electronically scanned slotted planar array radar, as well as engine improvements and an expanded capability to conduct air-to-ground missions.

Where the UPG reportedly differs most from the SMT is in its non-Russian avionics upgrades. The Indian Navy also flies MiG-29Ks that have many updated features in common with the SMT and UPG variants. The new potential deal with Russia would see the incomplete MiG-29s finished in a configuration similar to either the SMT or UPG versions, according to The Times.

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An Indian MiG-29 upgraded by MiG in Russia to the UPG standard.

“These fighters were built in the 1980s but never assembled and flown,” an unnamed Indian Air Force officer reportedly told the Indian daily. “Our team visited Russia last month and found the MiG-29 skeletons to be in good condition.”

The individual offered no further details on the state of the aircraft parts, which have been in storage now for at least around 30 years. Beyond the officer saying India had been offered “a good price,” there is no word on how much the Russians want for the unassembled planes or to finish building them to a modern standard.

But it is hard to see how the proposal would provide India, at least in the near term, with the additional fighter jet capacity it desperately needs right now. The jets not only need to be assembled, but have to be brought up to a significantly different standard. The SMT and UPG variants both feature an enlarged “hump” behind the cockpit, for example, which holds extra fuel.

Alex Beltyukov via Wikimedia

A Russian MiG-29SMT.

Making the changes necessary to internal wiring and other changes necessary to accommodate the new radar and other electronics could be particularly labor intensive. To underscore the potential complexities of the updates, the Indian Air Force’s entire MiG-29 fleet was originally supposed to be in the UPG configuration by 2013.

The amount of effort it might take to get just 20 additional aircraft into service seems excessive when the Indian Air Force has had a firm requirement for more than 100 additional aircraft since 2001. The Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft competition, or MMCRA, which has been officially ongoing since 2007, is still supposed to provide the bulk of the capacity, but still seems years after from leading to the acquisition of actual aircraft.

The fact that India has dropped its participation in Russia's fledgling Su-57 program that was supposed to result in an Indian-specific variant called the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) only adds more uncertainty to the country's future fighter force structure.

The chronically underperforming domestically-produced Tejas fighter jet was also supposed to help replace dozens more Cold War-era jets. So far, the Indian Air Force has around a dozen Tejas Mk 1s and 40 more still on order, as well as plans to acquire more than 80 substantially improved Mk 1A variants.

However, the Mk 1A isn’t even supposed to make its first flight until 2020. The Indian Air Force’s plans to acquire a further upgraded Mk 2 variant, as well as a domestically designed stealth fighter, known as the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), are still very much in the conceptual phase.

In the interim, India had inked a deal to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from French manufacturer Dassault. The first of these aircraft are in flight testing in France with the expectation that they’ll get delivered later this year. However, years of allegations of corruption with regards to that contract have let to a bitter political and legal battle that threatens to upend the purchase entirely.

With all this in mind, the Indian Air Force may feel it has no choice but to resort to less optimal avenues to acquire any additional fighter jets. The Indian government says that the service needs at least 42 squadrons of fighter jets to meet its operational requirements, most importantly the need to continue presenting a realistic challenge to ever-growing Chinese and Pakistani airpower.

At present, it has just 31 squadrons. Even more worrisome, many of these are equipped with increasingly geriatric Soviet-era MiG-21 and MiG-27 and European Jaguar and Mirage 2000 tactical jets. Though these planes have all received upgrades over the years, the basic life expectancy of the airframes is increasingly in question.

It was just announced that India is looking to acquire another 18 Sukhoi Su-30MKI kits to assemble in-country as an additional measure to help further shore up the country's rickety fighter force. Nearly 300 Su-30 aircraft, in the form of kits or otherwise, will have been delivered to India once the deal runs its course.

Just so far in February 2019, the Indian Air Force has lost one MiG-27 and one Mirage 2000 in accidents. The pilot on board the MiG was able to eject, but the two aviators in the Mirage died. In the past, Indian media has referred to the MiG-21s and -27s specifically as “flying coffins” and “widow makers” on account of regular and often fatal crashes.

The Indian Air Force definitely needs more fighter jets to fill these growing gaps, which will only continue to expand as time goes on. But it’s not clear if pulling unfinished MiG-29s out of storage and bringing them up to a modern standard is a realistic path toward helping alleviate those issues. It's also possible that India could just use the old airframes for parts, but doing so would only have a chance of increasing the readiness of the existing MiG-29 fleet, not growing its size as a whole.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aerospace; afghanistan; balakot; china; india; jaishemohammed; kashmir; mig; mig29; pakistan; pulwama; sovietunion; waronterror
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1 posted on 02/13/2019 6:55:43 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Still prefer the Su-30, but the MiG-29 is still very pretty.

Much respect.


2 posted on 02/13/2019 6:59:14 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Russia makes money off a lot of things that don’t last very long when the SHTF. T-79 ring a bell?


3 posted on 02/13/2019 7:10:11 PM PST by Equine1952 (Get yourself a ticket on a common mans train of thought)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

And if you hurry now we’ll throw in a free case of vodka.


4 posted on 02/13/2019 7:17:55 PM PST by jmacusa ("The more numerous the laws the more corrupt the government''.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
India's procurement process is laughable. I've been seeing stories about their need for new fighters pop up for over a decade now. So now they're going to buy 29 Cold-War era Soviet fighters that badly need retro-fitting - I assume they will finally be inducted into service sometime around 2030. This does not sound like a nation that can serve as a counter-weight to China. It barely sounds like a nation capable of defending itself should China care to attack.


5 posted on 02/13/2019 7:34:06 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

They are for Pakistan. Beyond border squabbles, China isn’t coming for India. Pakistan would.


6 posted on 02/13/2019 7:38:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: gaijin

See Iraqi Air Force vs USAF film for its spectacular success. It really doesn’t matter how hard they train.


7 posted on 02/13/2019 7:49:22 PM PST by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - rever.)
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To: gaijin

Looks like a flying greyhound bus from the front


8 posted on 02/13/2019 7:50:05 PM PST by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - rever.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“India’s procurement process is laughable”

I used to wonder why, with all their geniuses in math and physics, India couldn’t make first-rate, high tech products until I read a little on their business practices and government bureaucracies. Now I’m surprised they can make anything at all.


9 posted on 02/13/2019 9:11:11 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals.")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“India’s procurement process is laughable. “

same exact problem with them trying to procure a new main battle tank ...


10 posted on 02/13/2019 9:45:17 PM PST by catnipman ((Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!))
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To: DesertRhino
They are for Pakistan. Beyond border squabbles, China isn’t coming for India. Pakistan would.

We need strong regional counter-weights to China to tie them down and confine China's sphere of influence. A potent Indian military presence on China's southern border would serve us well - and India and China have ongoing border disputes. But Indian bureaucracy and corruption will probably prevent them from ever achieving any real level of military concern for China.
11 posted on 02/13/2019 9:49:30 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: VanShuyten

They are all here in the US stealing American jobs... Remember copying is not stealing in their culture.


12 posted on 02/13/2019 10:49:34 PM PST by Starcitizen
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To: gaijin
Even Venezuala was smart enough to buy SU-30's

13 posted on 02/14/2019 4:12:01 AM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Apparently you can own your own Mig-29:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/news/a28700/raptor-aviation-cold-war-fighter-jets/


14 posted on 02/14/2019 4:19:02 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: epluribus_2

Would it have made a difference if the Iraqi Air Force was flying F-16s? I don’t think so.


15 posted on 02/18/2019 10:01:45 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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