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To: Mrs. Don-o; All

I don’t know about the historical celibacy. Certainly during and probably before and after the renaissance there was a lot happening. Popes were having children and rulers were appointing their children as Pope to maintain power and some of these illicit children became popes and cardinals. All this plus the purchase of indulgences is part of what Martin Luther was rebelling against.

Actually I think you are confusing “bloody Bessie” with Bloody Mary the Catholic Queen daughter of Katherine of Aragon who was dumped by both Queen’s father Henry VIII. I have frequently read about Bloody Mary who killed far more than her sister did. Of course after Mary there probably were plenty of her victims who were happy to put the shoe on the other foot. I have read the term “priest hole” where priests were hidden, kind of like the “underground railroad” of slave times. I have never encountered the “bloody Bessie” name in my readings or historical shows on TV. Also what is Douai?


28 posted on 02/26/2019 8:05:51 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Concerning Douai: http://www.knight.org/cathen/05138a.htm
29 posted on 02/26/2019 8:09:27 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: gleeaikin
No, my dear. I am not confusing "Bloody Bessie" with "Bloody Mary" (!!!) Who the Sam Hill do you think was draw-and-quartering Catholic priests and hanging, burning, disemboweling and decapitating anyone who sheltered them?

Suggestion: Google Edmund Campion.

Google Douai --- well, I'll give you this one. Here you go:

Douai is the city in northern France which sheltered and educated thousands of Catholics escaping the bloodbath in England. Specifically, the "English College" at Douai University, but also the Irish and Scottish colleges and the Benedictine, Franciscan and Jesuit houses.

You've heard of the Douay-Rheims Bible (as they spelled it then) --- the English translation used by English-speaking Catholics almost exclusively for more than 300 years?

30 posted on 02/26/2019 8:45:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("A teacher Yoda is. Yoda teaches like drunkards drink, like killers kill.”)
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