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Another Democrat cooks up a health care plan even crazier than Bernie's Medicare-For-All
American Thinker ^ | 02/27/2019 | Monica Showalter

Posted on 02/27/2019 6:47:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Is rabidly far-left Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D.-Washington) trying to become the Ilhan Omar of the health care industry?

Sure looks like it, given her new Medicare-for-All proposal to be unveiled in the House as a new bill today. The "Medicare for All Act of 2019," put out by Jayapal, is so left-wing even the left-leaning Axios says it makes Bernie Sanders look like a piker. Here's how bad it is:

Even Sen. Bernie Sanders can get outflanked in the race to define Medicare for All as Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) is set to introduce a bill today that would go even further than Sanders' sweeping proposal.

Why it matters: Even as moderates and more conventional liberals are freaking out over the politics of such a dramatic upheaval, the left is still moving left, laying down ever-more-ambitious markers as they gain more and more influence over their party.

  • Many of the broad strokes are the same: Both bills would eliminate most private insurance and most existing federal health programs, moving everyone in the country into a new single-payer system. Neither would allow co-pays or deductibles.
  • Jayapal's version, though, would cover some things Sanders' bill wouldn't — most significantly, long-term care like nursing homes. It also calls for a 2-year phase-in period, compared to Sanders' 4 years.

What we don’t know: The cost.

 Axios also notes that the bill seeks to keep costs under control through a "global budget," meaning a cap on how much money hospitals and nursing care facilities can get, which is a fancy way of saying: rationing. They call that "interesting." The rest of us call it "Venezuela."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2020election; berniesanders; healthcare; jayapal; medicare; medicareforall; socialism
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1 posted on 02/27/2019 6:47:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Medicare for All when y’all turn 65 is OK.


2 posted on 02/27/2019 6:49:06 AM PST by relee (Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: SeekAndFind
Is "Medicare for All" any crazier than the system we have now? What we have is collusion between insurance companies, pharmaceutical, and providers to keep prices high. Pharmaceutical companies can even advertise their high-priced poisons so people will demand them. When it gets too pricey, no problem. The government subsidizes the insurance companies.

Medicare for All would be this mess without the middleman.

3 posted on 02/27/2019 6:51:23 AM PST by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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To: SeekAndFind

Private insurers wrote Obama care. I wonder if they are not living up to their kickback schedule.


4 posted on 02/27/2019 6:52:27 AM PST by IC Ken (Stop making stupid people famous)
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To: SeekAndFind

5 posted on 02/27/2019 6:54:31 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: IC Ken
“Infiltrate and gain control of big business.”

— Communist Goal #37
Nominally private. Just like RINOs are nominally Republican and lie about being for the conservative Republican platform.
6 posted on 02/27/2019 6:54:48 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: SeekAndFind

Eliminate private health insurance? Why?


7 posted on 02/27/2019 6:57:13 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: All
Strangely, Jayapal resembles an older Rashida Tlaib.

 

8 posted on 02/27/2019 6:59:23 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: grania
Is "Medicare for All" any crazier than the system we have now?

Medicare now pays for 80% of expenses. There's still a major insurance industry involved in the supplemental other 20%. But, that's not the real issue. The question is, is Medicare adequately funded?

In other words, do the collected premiums cover the cost of the program?

The premium for Medicare (forget about the supplemental for a moment) varies according to your prior year's income from $99 to $399. Most people pay the lower amount, and I'm sure that doesn't cover the program's cost. So, if you extend Medicare to everyone, you have to answer to questions: 1) How much will you collect to cover it, and 2) will the program also cover the missing 20% of coverage?

If you're a Democrat, the answer is to throw everything onto the taxpayer. That's why it will be unaffordable.

9 posted on 02/27/2019 7:00:35 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine ( "It's always a party when you're eating the seed corn.")
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To: grania

Yes it’s crazier.
Putting a gun to people’s head to make them pay for a system which has no incentive to efficiency is BAD. Nation-wrecking, health-rationing, race-to-the-bottom BAD.

Yes, the current system has problems. It’s also keeping people alive because live patients pay. The problems are getting solutions because people pay for better solutions. Capitalism sorts things out (though may occasionally need a gov’t kick in the pants).

Single payer means single decider, with incentive to kill off expensive patients - even if they can pay for what they want.


10 posted on 02/27/2019 7:02:27 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think it’s about time we cancel Rep. Pramila Jayapal’s H-1B visa!


11 posted on 02/27/2019 7:05:01 AM PST by Cowboy Bob ("Other People's Money" = The life blood of Liberalism)
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To: grania
The big difference is that you actually have to be 65 and paid into the system or had a spouse who paid into the system (plus jump through some other hoops) to be eligible for medicare.

Under "Medicare for All" you can decide to be a druggie from day one and never pay a penny into the system to collect. And your middleman will just be the government rather than an insurance company.

12 posted on 02/27/2019 7:05:49 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: relee
"Medicare for All when y’all turn 65 is OK."

You must not be on Medicare yet. I am. It's anything but 'OK'. For starters, even though I paid for it over the last 50, or so years, I still have to pay an additional $4,000 per year for all the things it misses.

For this, it pays the hospitals and doctors only a tiny fraction of their actual costs. Here are two examples:
1) I needed to have a detached retina reattached. For this I had to go to a specialist with many years of training, in addition to an MD degree. She had to use millions of dollars of special optical and laser equipment in her office. The procedure took nearly two hours. The bill was over $3,000. For this, Medicare paid less than $100, which, by law, was payment in full.

2) I needed a "Fusion Biopsy" for prostate cancer. It required an MRI and then special prostate ultrasound biopsy equipment to target regions on the MRI with the biopsy needle. Again, multi millions of dollars of equipment was required. The Medicare payment? - less than $200, even though the bill was $3,500.

For all this, my doctor of the past 35 years won't see me any more. He gets paid $85 for a visit that previously paid thousands. I don't blame him.

13 posted on 02/27/2019 7:06:25 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: SeekAndFind

It isn’t Medicare for All, it’s Medicaid for All. Medicare includes private insurance plans, and one may also purchase supplemental insurance.


14 posted on 02/27/2019 7:09:38 AM PST by oblomov
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To: grania

“high priced poisons”

While you die of tuberculosis or typhus, I’ll take high-priced poisons.


15 posted on 02/27/2019 7:11:49 AM PST by oblomov
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To: SeekAndFind

Every time I see her name I think “PayPal”.


16 posted on 02/27/2019 7:14:17 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Trump: "America will never be a socialist country!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t underestimate how many would go to the polls to vote to have their long-term care covered.

Republicans are about to reap the whirlwind for ceding the high ground on fiscal discipline.

People now think they’ve been crying wolf on the debt, and there’s a bunch of FREE SH** out there they want.


17 posted on 02/27/2019 7:14:33 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Olog-hai

Most Indian women I’ve met aren’t nearly that homely.


18 posted on 02/27/2019 7:15:02 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: norwaypinesavage

I should have been clearer. No medicare for all before age 65.


19 posted on 02/27/2019 7:15:32 AM PST by relee (Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: grania
Is "Medicare for All" any crazier than the system we have now?

No, it's less crazy. A LOT less, actually, which is why it will carry the WH and the Senate in 2020 unless Trump hires some experts to design an acceptable system.

The GOP in Congress is bought and paid for by the hospitals-"insurance"-Pharma iron triangle which controls and operates what we have now for their own benefit.

No solution which does not take these players off the board can work.

Hospitals (especially) are ideal for "public utility" status. Nobody complains (much) about water, natural gas, or electricity provision, the hospitals can be operated under much teh same type of regulatory regime.

20 posted on 02/27/2019 7:21:06 AM PST by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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