The House Somehow Votes To Notify ICE When Illegals Try To Buy Guns

Hotair ^ | 02/28/2019 | Jazz Shaw

[dp0622]

but some of the new crop of Democratic freshmen helped push it over the finish line...

THAT’S the shocking part.

Something is amiss.

[FlingWingFlyer]

Illegal alien invaders do not have Second Amendment rights. The Bill or Rights only applies to Americans. It does not apply to foreign freeloaders in the country illegally.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Well...a small ray of sunshine if Trump's promised veto gets overridden.

[G Larry]

This is a great way to get Dems to NOT back their own legislation as it moves to the Senate.

[Reno89519]

Only works if ICE will do its job and enforce the law. It cannot be that hard to find illegal aliens in the US. Just go to Walmart.

[Reno89519]

Only works if ICE will do its job and enforce the law. It cannot be that hard to find illegal aliens in the US. Just go to Walmart.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

The Bill of Rights only applies to Americans. It does not apply to foreign freeloaders in the country illegally.

Tough call in light of the last part of the 14th amendment:

"...nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

If the 14th amendment confers such standing on an illegal alien, then so should the 2nd. Unless I'm wrong...which is probable.

[4Runner]

The 200 who voted against are just fearful their illegal alien constituents won’t vote for them anymore if they aren’t free to purchase and bear arms. After all, it would be “raciss” to notify ICE of anything to prevent South American foreign nationals from defending their families on U.S. soil just because they came here without some documents. THAT’S JUST NOT WHO WE ARE, people!

[4Runner]

Uh, wrong. Illegal aliens are NOT within the jurisdiction of the U.S. except they are here illegally and are subject to immediate deportation as a result. So the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to them. Sorry. Want to try again? See Below:

...nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction...

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

...nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction...

Person. Not citizen. They have committed a crime by entering illegally. But if the "state" does not choose to arrest and prosecute...or even if they do...this does not throw out the rest of the Constitution. Besides, they are a 'person' within the state's jurisdiction.

That has been my problem with the 14th for a long time. The word 'person' should have been 'citizen'.

[Tench_Coxe]

"But on the odd chance that it does actually pass, this amendment would be a positive development."

Positive how? It would establish a gun registry that isn't being called by design a gun registry.

[Charles Martel]

Only works if ICE will do its job and enforce the law.

Not just ICE, the entire reporting apparatus. The NICS background check system does actually halt sales to some illegible people. How many related Form 4473 violations are charged and prosecuted?

[Yo-Yo]

[NativeSon]

I am friggin outraged that the Dems want to infringe upon my Rights but not enforce the existing laws on illegal aliens and further, seek to protect illegal aliens from our laws and specifically, the very SAME new law they are pushing upon citizens !!!

[griswold3]

Today’s statistics....

Gun deaths in 2018 3,338
Pedestrian deaths in 2018 6,227

USA Today headline (3hrs ago)

Pedestrian deaths hit 28-year high, suggesting SUV boom raises safety risks

[grobdriver]

This would be the first thing stripped out of any conference with the Senate should they pass a matching bill.

[old-ager]

indicating only that the leftists value eliminating the second amendment more than they value open borders

[daltec]

Another thing to keep in mind, independent of arguments RE the Constitution, is that most illegal aliens are likely felons.

As far as I know (and I am no lawyer), illegal entry is usually a misdemeanor. However, having a fake driver license, forged green card or fraudulent birth certificate constitutes a felony (I think). Falsifying I-9 forms carries penalty of perjury, which is definitely a felony. Forgery, Social Security fraud, identity theft, and so are on are all felonies.

Felons, in nearly all cases, are stripped of their rights to own firearms, regardless of the underlying Constitutional principles.

But if, as you note, law enforcement agencies refuse to enforce the law, then all bets are off, I guess! Because when it comes to electronic background checks, is an unindicted felon a felon? :-)

[Lean-Right]

Pardon the intrusion, but 4runner
is correct on this. One needs to
focus on the word “jurisdiction”
and not “person” when it come to
interpretation of the 14th amendment.